From jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Wed Mar 1 01:01:26 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 1995 02:59:01 EST From: JUDITH LORBER To: SWS-LIST@NCSU.EDU, SOCPOL-L@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU, MATFEM@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Subject: POSSIBLE NEW GROUP From: MX%"beijing95-l@netcom.com" 28-FEB-1995 08:11:17.41 To: JLO CC: Subj: Update 2/28 Re: PROPOSAL: alt.women.u-n.conference.beijing95 (fwd) Return-Path: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 02:47:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Gagliardi To: beijing95-l@netcom.com Subject: Update 2/28 Re: PROPOSAL: alt.women.u-n.conference.beijing95 (fwd) Sender: owner-beijing95-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Reply-To: beijing95-l@netcom.com On Wed, 2/22/95, I submitted the following proposal for the creation of a new .alt USENET group: "alt.women.u-n.conference.beijing95 concerning the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women, Beijing 9/95" So far the responses I have received from alt.config folk have been negative but helpful. Several suggested that I rename the news group in keeping with the current .alt heirarchy. Also several suggested that I may want to create the newsgroup in .soc because .alt groups have a limited distribution, whereas the .soc groups have a much wider distribution. I am reproducing (with permission) one of the responses by way of further explanation of the .alt vs .soc group creation process. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 11:11:29 -0800 From: Bruce Baugh To: Jennifer Gagliardi Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: alt.women.u-n.conference.beijing95 The alt hierarchy is in the process of breaking down, for a variety of reasons not relevant here. No new alt group can get propagated to more than about 20% of sites taking a news feed. That 20% _does_ include most of the large commercial providers, but does _not_ include smaller sites or the vast majority of academic sites. New Big 7 groups, on the other hand, will be propagated to at least 40% of all sites, and generally to more than that. In addition, system administrators are generally more willing to add a new Big 7 group than a new alt group, which means that the Big 7 version will add new readers and posters more rapidly. The voting process is not horribly tedious - at its heart is 4-6 weeks of discussion and about the same time for voting. There's preparation before that, of course, but the whole thing can be done (and routinely is done) in one quarter. And the payoff is worth it. -------end Forwarded message ---------- May I also add that feminist USENET groups are notorious targets for flaming by mysogyinists. We could get around this by moderating the group but that would take more time & resources than which I currently have at my disposal. There is also something to be said on behalf of the free flow of ideas, hence no moderation. There is much more to be said about staking out a corner of USENET on behalf of feminists and profeminist men--if there can be hundreds of alt.binary pornographic groups, surely USENET can stand several more feminists groups besides soc.feminism, soc.men, alt.lesbian.feminist.poetry, etc. So even thought the immediate inspiration for the creation of a new USENET group is the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women, I would also like the new USENET group to address issues concerning women of color/creed/class plus national & international feminist activites that are rarely addressed in other feminist and progressive USENET groups (as a previous BEIJING95-L post proposed). Several of the many options are listed below. Please respond by Sunday, March 5 to gagliajn@netcom.com so I can resubmit a proposal for a new feminist USENET group by Wed, March 8, Internation Women's Day. Please also note if your internet service provider carries .alt, .misc, .talk USENET groups. The responses will be gathered into one post & the results will appear on Monday, March 6 with instructions how & where to post to USENET. Possible names for a new feminist USENET group: alt.activism.feminism alt.current.events.u-n.womens.conference.beijing95 alt.feminism.international alt.feminism.politics alt.women.u-n.conference.beijing95 soc.feminism.international soc.feminism.politics misc.activism.progressive.feminism talk.politics.feminism talk.politics.international.feminism Thanks for your continued interest, Jennifer Gagliardi gagliajn@netcom.com moderator BEIJING95-L PLEASE FORWARD THIS POST TO ALL FEMINIST FORUMS! _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From FORDEL@CRPL.CEDAR-RAPIDS.LIB.IA.US Wed Mar 1 07:11:03 MST 1995 From: FORDEL@CRPL.CEDAR-RAPIDS.LIB.IA.US Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 8:10:38 -0600 (CST) To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: RE: POSSIBLE NEW GROUP Hi, I joined this list to find out what material feminism is. It sounded like a contradiction in terms-Madonna's material girl- :-) Secondly, I was hoping to read more of Martha's personal experiences. I've read her visit to China & value of ethnic questions in personal information. She writes well. Any help appreciated. From minoom@uclink2.berkeley.edu Wed Mar 1 12:37:55 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 11:37:30 -0800 (PST) From: Minoo Subject: Re: Essential texts of MATFEM To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: <01HNJQE0EV9E0003OI@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> Dear Sarah, You might want to look at the work of Paola Tabet,Nicole Claud Mathieu, Claire Michard, Collette Guillamin, Christine Delphy, and Sylvia Walby. From jmrobbin@sas.upenn.edu Wed Mar 1 19:31:48 MST 1995 From: jmrobbin@sas.upenn.edu (Jessica M Robbins) Subject: Re: How do I get off this list? To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 21:31:30 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "Martha Gimenez" at Feb 28, 95 05:26:27 pm Help! I don't want to be on this list, and I seem to have deleted (if I ever had) the "unsubscribe" info. Please help. Thanks. From jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Wed Mar 1 23:47:22 MST 1995 Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 01:47:01 EST From: JUDITH LORBER To: SOCPOL-L@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU, MATFEM@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Subject: conference on violence From: MX%"dkurz@sas.upenn.edu" 1-MAR-1995 09:59:02.54 To: JLO CC: Subj: Conference on Violence Return-Path: Return-Path: From: dkurz@sas.upenn.edu (Demie Kurz) Subject: Conference on Violence To: jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 09:58:46 -0500 (EST) CONFERENCE ON VIOLENCE The Annenberg Public Policy Center and the Women's Studies Program of the University of Pennsylvania announce an exciting 4-day conference, entitled: "WOMEN, SEXUALITY, AND VIOLENCE" to be held March 30- April 2, 1995. The conference will bring together scholars, public policy planners, activists, and journalists from around the world to explore the dynamic interactions of gender, sexuality, and violence, and to redesign public policy. Speakers include: Marjorie Agosin, Nina Auerbach, Byllye Avery, Mary Frances Berry, Rosi Braidotti, Ann Burgess, Urvashi Burtalia, Rhonda Copelan, Kimberle Crenshaw, Karen Czapanskiy, Michelle Fine, Martha Fineman, Ann Jones, Bilijana Kasic, Martha Mahoney, Martha Minow, Dorothy Roberts, Rosemary Ofei-Aboagye, Sue Osthoff, Peggy Phelan, Carroll Smith-Rosenberg, Nadine Strossen, Sonia Sanchez, Robin West, Patricia Williams, and many others. For a program and registration form, email your name and address to Deborah Stinnett: appc@asc.upenn.edu, or write to her c/o the Annenberg School for Communication, 3620 Walnut St., Philadelphia, PA 19104-6220. There is no charge for the conference. _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From soa00@cc.keele.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 05:05:17 MST 1995 From: "J. Van Every" Subject: who are you? To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:05:01 +0000 (GMT) In-Reply-To: from "Minoo" at Mar 1, 95 12:40:42 pm I am finding this list very frustrating not because of the discussions but because people are not signing their posts and/or not providing their e-mail addresses in the body of the message. The header on most of these messages does not say who wrote it and if I want to make a comment to the originator but not the whole list I am unable to do so. Is there any policy on this issue for this list (as there is for other lists)? Could people please try to sign their posts? Thanks Jo VanEvery Keele University soa00@cc.keele.ac.uk From gimenez@csf.Colorado.EDU Thu Mar 2 09:12:05 MST 1995 Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:12:00 -0700 (MST) From: Martha Gimenez To: matfem@csf.Colorado.EDU Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA - PLEASE SAVE Dear MATFEMers, This is a monthly reminder of some of the listserv commands at your disposal. Caps are used for emphasis -- all commands and addresses are case insensitive. The commands/messages discussed below should all be sent to LISTSERV@csf.colorado.edu or LISTPROC@csf.colorado.edu The unsubscribe command is just two words: UNSUB MATFEM These two words should be in the message, not the subject line. Most common mistakes: 1. The inclusion of personal names with the unsub request. 2. Punctuation marks near the two words E.g., "unsub matfem" rather than unsub matfem >unsub matfem rather than unsub matfem unsub matfem. rather than unsub matfem unsub rather than unsub matfem 3. Trying to unsubscribe from an new address when your subscription is registered under an old address. To determine the address under which you are subscribed, send listserv@csf the two word request REVIEW MATFEM If your efforts to unsub have been frustrated, please write to gimenez@csf.colorado.edu, rather than taking the problem to the list. It is helpful to forward a copy of mail from listserv@csf that shows the source of your problem. ------------ MAIL SETTINGS ------------ If you would like to receive MATFEM messages twice-a-week in a batch instead of one-by-one, everyday, send the following command to LISTSERV@csf If you are going to be away and want to postpone messages from MATFEM again send a message to LISTSERV@csf and in the message box use SET MATFEM MAIL POSTPONE To unpostpone your mail or return to one-at-a-time message delivery, use SET MATFEM MAIL ACK All subscribers have one of three settings: ACK, DIGEST or POSTPONE ACK is the default setting. To determine which setting you have on your mail, send the command SET MATFEM -------- INDEX and GET cmds ---------- If you want to see an index of the logs of past messages and other files send (to LISTSERV@csf) the command INDEX MATFEM The list of files returned from the index command are retrievable with the get command. If, for example, you are interested in messages from January 94, you send a message to LISTSERV@csf and in the body of the message type GET MATFEM JAN94 If you have friends who would like to subscribe, they should use the command SUB MATFEM Firstname Lastname Unlike the unsub command, this one requires more than two words. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Bureaucratically yours, :-) Martha E. Gimenez From CWINKLER@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU Thu Mar 2 16:35:07 MST 1995 From: CWINKLER@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU id <01HNNYW5NDY88ZG2CE@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>; Thu, 02 Mar 1995 15:34:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 1995 15:34:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sociology of Women To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu I am inquiring on behalf of a friend: Any recommendations for a good sophomore/junior level *text* in a soc of women course with about 90 students? She would like an emphasis on race and class, from a materialist feminist perspective. She wants a mix of theory, stats, and qualitative description. Suggestions? Thanks, Celia Winkler cwinkler@oregon.uoregon.edu From FORDEL@CRPL.CEDAR-RAPIDS.LIB.IA.US Thu Mar 2 18:22:28 MST 1995 From: FORDEL@CRPL.CEDAR-RAPIDS.LIB.IA.US Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:22:03 -0600 (CST) To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: matfem Yes, I really am that naive. Hope no one was offended. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) From fac54@mhc.mtholyoke.edu Fri Mar 3 11:19:30 MST 1995 From: fac54@mhc.mtholyoke.edu Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:19:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: New Journal of Interest To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: The International Association For Feminist Economics, a recently formed organization which focuses on feminist issues and the economy has been established. One of their activities is to publish a journal called Feminist Economics. For more information regarding the above contact Jean Shackelford at jshackel@bucknell.edu, for the journal contact Dls@ricevm1.Rixw.Edu Arlene Dallalfar From Margaret.Ann.Murphy@um.cc.umich.edu Fri Mar 3 16:54:30 MST 1995 From: Margaret.Ann.Murphy@um.cc.umich.edu Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 18:49:24 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Sociology of Women Try "Feminist Frontiers III by Laurel Richardson/Verta Taylor eds, McGraw Hill, 1993. From madi0097@llwisc.ll.pbs.org Sat Mar 4 05:44:03 MST 1995 From: madi0097@llwisc.ll.pbs.org (Nancy Boston) Subject: Re: Essential texts of MATFEM To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 14:52:58 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <01HNJVJRUQAQ8X1KX4@albnyvms.BITNET> from "INGRAHAM%ALBNYVMS.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU" at Feb 27, 95 03:27:37 pm May I ask a question please....I don't want to sound like an idiot but....what is Materialist Feminism about? I have seen very few messages since I joined the listserv and I just can't get a handle on it. If you have time would you please share a little info? I would really appreciate it. Thanks so much Nancy Boston madi0097@llwisc.ll.pbs.org From tiiiru@uta.fi Sat Mar 4 07:42:24 MST 1995 Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 16:42:14 +0200 From: Iiris Ruoho To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Essential texts of MATFEM I would like to replay Nancy Boston: waht is Materialist Feminism about? I have studied the historical materialism and I have the knowledge about it. But: what is the link between HM and MF? I have read texts of Nancy Hartsock and Mary O'Brien. Are their texts as FM-texts? I ask this curiously. Do not feel youself as idiot Nancy Boston. Your question have been in my lips since I got the firt message from this list. Iiris Ruoho, Finland From INGRAHAM@ALBNYVMS.BITNET Sun Mar 5 10:35:19 MST 1995 From: INGRAHAM@ALBNYVMS.BITNET id <01HNRYZ2HW9C8X3V15@albnyvms.BITNET>; Sun, 05 Mar 1995 12:32:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 05 Mar 1995 12:32:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: What is materialist feminism? To: matfem@csf.colorado.EDU As a way to offer some assistance to those who inquired about materialist feminism, I will quote from a recent call for papers we circulated for a reader on materialist feminism which we will publish with Routledge next year."Materialist feminist work is distinguished by the claim that the critical perspective of historical materialism is historically necessary and empowering for feminism's oppositional political project. Materialist feminism calls for a consideration of the ways divisions of labor, state power, as well as genderedracial, national and sexual subjectivities, bodies, and knowledges are all crucial to social production. While materialist feminists have made use of postmodern critiques of empiricism to develop analyses of the role of ideology in women's oppression, they have also insisted that ideology is only one facet of social life. This systemic view--the argument that the materiality of the social consists of divisions of labor, state power, and ideology--is one of the distinguishing features of materialist feminist analysis." I hope this is helpful. You will also find answers to your questions in the welcome message sent to you when you subscribed and in the readings referred to in the earlier discussions of essential texts. These readings include the works of Martha Gimenez, Rosemary Hennessy, Kathy Russell, Maria Mies, Teresa Ebert, Rajeswari Mohan, Lillian Robinson, Lise Vogel, Angela Davis, and Carole Stabile to mention only a few. Routledge has agreed to publish a reader: Materialist Feminism: A Reader which will offer reprints of earlier and current works as well as new submissions which engage with materialist feminism as a social analytic. The introduction to the reader will discuss mf in depth and will outline the distinctions between mf and socialist or marxist feminism. It will also contain an extensive bibliography. Of course, any suggestions or comments concerning this publication would be greatly appreciated. It seems to us that these knowledges are more useful than ever with the growing rise of facism in the US. Chrys Ingraham Russell Sage College Sociology ingrac@hopper.sage.edu From ecarlass@weber.ucsd.edu Sun Mar 5 14:55:13 MST 1995 Sun, 5 Mar 1995 13:55:03 -0800 for Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 13:55:03 -0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: ecarlass@weber.ucsd.edu (Elizabeth Carlassare) Subject: ecofeminism and materialism Does anyone know of articles or books that have been written about or address both materialism and ecofeminism? Thanks in advance. Elizabeth Carlassare From ejudd@cc.UManitoba.CA Sun Mar 5 17:44:42 MST 1995 (ejudd@mira.cc.umanitoba.ca [130.179.16.8]) by Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:44:36 -0600 (CST) From: Ellen Judd To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: ecofeminism and materialism Try Maria Mies and Vandana Shiva, Ecofeminism. Ellen Judd ejudd@ccu.umanitoba.ca On Sun, 5 Mar 1995, Elizabeth Carlassare wrote: > Does anyone know of articles or books that have been written about or > address both materialism and ecofeminism? > > Thanks in advance. > > Elizabeth Carlassare > > > From susanp@osprey.csrv.uidaho.edu Sun Mar 5 19:15:38 MST 1995 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:09:29 -0800 (PST) From: Palmer Susan Subject: Re: ecofeminism and materialism To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Although it has been some time since I read this, I recommend reading "Rethinking Ecofeminist Politics" by Janet Biehl published by South End Press, 1991. The last chapter was a big disappointment for me, but the rest of the book is a worthy and provocative critique of ecofeminism. Susan Palmer On Sun, 5 Mar 1995, Elizabeth Carlassare wrote: > Does anyone know of articles or books that have been written about or > address both materialism and ecofeminism? > > Thanks in advance. > > Elizabeth Carlassare > > From srudrap%eagle.DecNet@eunice.ssc.wisc.edu Sun Mar 5 19:35:13 MST 1995 From: srudrap%eagle.DecNet@eunice.ssc.wisc.edu Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 20:30:27 -0600 To: "matfem@csf.colorado.edu"@ssc.wisc.edu Subject: Re: ecofeminism and materialism For Elizabeth Carlassare (article on both materialism and ecofeminism): Ceciel Jackson, 1993. "Environmentalisms and gender interests in the Third World", Development and Change. Vol. 24 (4): 649-477. (sorry, the name's Cecile, and not Ceciel!) Sharmila Rudrappa Sociology, UW-Madison srudrap@ssc.wisc.edu From swarr@coral.bucknell.edu Sun Mar 5 20:14:47 MST 1995 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:14:41 -0500 (EST) From: Swarr Amanda Lock Subject: Re: ecofeminism and materialism To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: I would recommend looking at work by Carolyn Merchant, particularly her chapter on Ecofeminism in _Radical Ecology_, as well as work by Val Plumwood on social ecofeminism. I am currently in the process of writing an honors thesis on Ecofeminism and literary theory/criticism, so if anyone is interested in a very rough working draft of my bibliography, feel free to email me directly. -amanda Amanda Swarr swarr@bucknell.edu From julia@unbc.edu Mon Mar 6 03:25:14 MST 1995 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:25:06 -0800 (PST) From: Julia Emberley To: Ellen Judd Subject: Re: ecofeminism and materialism In-Reply-To: You might also have a look at Donna Landry and Gerald Maclean's book _Materialist Feminisms_ which contains a chapter on the "green" movement and materialist feminisms. Julia Emberley julia@unbc.edu On Sun, 5 Mar 1995, Ellen Judd wrote: > Try Maria Mies and Vandana Shiva, Ecofeminism. > > Ellen Judd > ejudd@ccu.umanitoba.ca > > On Sun, 5 Mar 1995, Elizabeth Carlassare wrote: > > > Does anyone know of articles or books that have been written about or > > address both materialism and ecofeminism? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Elizabeth Carlassare > > > > > > > From eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu Mon Mar 6 07:15:34 MST 1995 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 06:15:27 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Bouse To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: ecofeminism and materialism You might look at Donna Landry and Gerald MacLean's _Materialist Feminisms_. In the last chapter, it moves toward a green materialist feminism. It also includes an extensive bibliography which may be helpful. Susan Bouse UC, Irvine eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu From fac62@mhc.mtholyoke.edu Mon Mar 6 13:05:17 MST 1995 From: fac62@mhc.mtholyoke.edu Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:05:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Essential texts of MATFEM To: Nancy Boston In-Reply-To: ONE useful text is Donna Landry and Gerald Maclean Materialist Feminisms (Blackwell, 1993). It reviews various debates and their history. Another (dense but interesting) is Rosemary Hennessy Materialis Feminism and the politics of discourse, Routledge (1993?). Rachel Joffe Falmagne, Clark University. On Sat, 4 Mar 1995, Nancy Boston wrote: > Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 05:46:26 -0700 > From: Nancy Boston > Subject: Re: Essential texts of MATFEM > > May I ask a question please....I don't want to sound like an idiot > but....what is Materialist Feminism about? I have seen very few messages > since I joined the listserv and I just can't get a handle on it. If you > have time would you please share a little info? I would really appreciate > it. > Thanks so much > Nancy Boston > madi0097@llwisc.ll.pbs.org > From psu02880@odin.cc.pdx.edu Mon Mar 6 15:51:48 MST 1995 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 16:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: Katheen Drew To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: What is materialist feminism? In-Reply-To: <01HNRYZ2IP768X3V15@albnyvms.BITNET> In response to a query about material feminism, Chrys answered that: > It seems to us that these knowledges (of material feminisms) are more useful than ever with the growing > rise of facism in the US. > Chrys Ingraham > Russell Sage College > Sociology > ingrac@hopper.sage.edu > I am not sure what is meant by "growing rise of facism in the US"- I often felt that President Bush had fascist tendency in his insistance on stifling argument in congress, his support of a violent solution to the Iraqui invasion of Kuwait. White supremacy groups have also made inroads in Oregon including a local high school. How would a material feminist critique counter the "fascist" trend in contempory politics. As long as discussion among feminists remains within the confines and at the margins of academe, how will it effect the material conditions and lived experiences of women and children. Kathy Drew still not sure what material feminism is, but now armed with yet another bibliography..... From ecarlass@weber.ucsd.edu Mon Mar 6 18:58:20 MST 1995 Mon, 6 Mar 1995 17:58:13 -0800 for Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 17:58:13 -0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: ecarlass@weber.ucsd.edu (Elizabeth Carlassare) Subject: Re: ecofeminism and materialism I would love to receive the draft version of your bibliography. (I too wrote my Master's thesis on ecofeminism.) Cheers, Elizabeth Carlassare >I would recommend looking at work by Carolyn Merchant, particularly her >chapter on Ecofeminism in _Radical Ecology_, as well as work by Val >Plumwood on social ecofeminism. I am currently in the process of writing an >honors thesis on Ecofeminism and literary theory/criticism, so if anyone >is interested in a very rough working draft of my bibliography, feel free >to email me directly. > >-amanda > >Amanda Swarr >swarr@bucknell.edu From ecarlass@weber.ucsd.edu Mon Mar 6 18:58:22 MST 1995 Mon, 6 Mar 1995 17:58:17 -0800 for Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 17:58:17 -0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: ecarlass@weber.ucsd.edu (Elizabeth Carlassare) Subject: Re: ecofeminism and materialism Thanks! I'll check it out. Cheers, Elizabeth Carlassare >You might look at Donna Landry and Gerald MacLean's _Materialist >Feminisms_. In the last chapter, it moves toward a green materialist >feminism. It also includes an extensive bibliography which may be helpful. >Susan Bouse >UC, Irvine >eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu From CZSJ@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Tue Mar 7 09:21:29 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 07 Mar 1995 09:18:13 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 11:20:13 -0500 (EST) From: johnson Subject: research queery To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu hello. i have recently joined the list and have been reading, and listening to exchanges for the last week or two. i am now coming out to identify myself on the list and ask a research question....an obscure one. it concerns research that i am doing on 8mm and super 8 home movie productions of the 50s and 60s and everyday useof creative technologies in the domestic sphere to document personal life. to widen the net i will ask if anyone out there has come across this subject matter in general with respect to histories of home movie mode of communication and the use of mode of communication in the domestic sphere and the everyday. i would like to add that i am impressed with the kind of sharing that is taking place among subscribers and gives the list a good feeling. cheers, stacey johnson mcgill university, montreal/canada From KOWALSKI@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU Tue Mar 7 12:42:07 MST 1995 id <01HNUQ1KCUJK8ZESC0@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>; Tue, 07 Mar 1995 11:40:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 11:40:28 -0800 (PST) From: Shelley Kara Kowalski Subject: Re: research queery To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Stacey I am not at all familiar with home video in documenting everyday life, but are you familiar with Wendy Kozol's "Life's America"? It addresses ideology formation (nuclear family, cult of domesticity, etc) in post WWII Life magazine photographs. I hope this helps. Please keep us posted, this sounds like interesting research! Shelley Kowalski University of Oregon Kowalski@oregon.uoregon.edu From smolden@umich.edu Tue Mar 7 13:37:03 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:36:56 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Moldenhauer To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Male feminism I am a graduate student at University of Michigan pursuing a joint Ph.D in Personality Psychology and Women's Studies. I am currently engaged in a literature review for my Master's thesis, which will address male feminist identity--both what factors may lead to men developing a feminist identity and how feminist men conceptualize their feminist identity. Very little research has been done on these topics, as far as I have been able to discover, in any case. I am hoping for some leads on where to search for theoretical and/or scientific research oriented papers or books that address these or related topics. If any one has references or suggestions for me, I would much appreciate the help. Thank you. Sarah Moldenhauer From hjmarone@ccs.carleton.ca Tue Mar 7 15:48:39 MST 1995 From: hjmarone@ccs.carleton.ca (Heather Jon Maroney) Subject: Re: Male feminism To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 17:46:06 EST In-Reply-To: ; from "Sarah Moldenhauer" at Mar 7, 95 1:38 pm re: male feminism; Michael Kaufmann has two books: a edited collection (penguin) and a single authored discussion of masculinity. like all collections the former has various theoretical influences, but M comes out of a marxist/materialist background. if this isn't enough reply to me directly and i'll try to find titles. From utscherm@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu Tue Mar 7 16:21:16 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 17:19:47 -0600 (CST) From: Timothy Scherman Subject: Re: Male feminism To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Sarah, See _Men Writing the Feminine_ (sorry, editor's name escapes me), 1993 or 94. As a male feminist I can't say I was terribly satisfied with it--guess I didn't find "me" there--but it may be a start. From rjensen@uts.cc.utexas.edu Tue Mar 7 17:05:22 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:05:21 -0600 (CST) From: rjensen Sender: rjensen Reply-To: rjensen Subject: Re: Male feminism To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: sarah: i just wrote a piece called "Men's Lives and Feminist Theory," which argues that men should adopt a feminist critique not only in the interests of justice, but for their own sake. that may be of some interest to you. it appears in the Winter 1995 (vol. 2, #2) issue of a fairly new journal called RACE, GENDER & CLASS. if you have trouble finding the journal (i doubt many libraries have it yet), send me a mailing address and i'll send you a copy. best, bob jensen university of texas rjensen@uts.cc.utexas.edu From Domna.C.Stanton@um.cc.umich.edu Tue Mar 7 20:00:27 MST 1995 From: Domna.C.Stanton@um.cc.umich.edu Date: Tue, 7 Mar 95 21:56:40 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Male feminism what about Jardine and Gora's MEN IN FEMINISM? Joseph Boone has done some nice work on masculinity and men in feminism as well. From TFISHER@TULSAJC.TULSA.CC.OK.US Tue Mar 7 20:56:14 MST 1995 Date: 07 Mar 95 21:54:42 UTC From: To: Subject: Uncl: Materialist Feminism From: Tabor Fisher Greetings all. I've just recovered from an account crash, so I feel like I'm picking up a thread that may be a little old. Just before my account went kablooie a number of people were asking what materialist feminism is. I, like them, have been lurking quietly and *thinking* I knew what materialist feminism is, but not feeling certain. Here's my two cents, please correct me if I am wrong: Materialist feminism would be a broad category including both what Alison Jaggar calls Marxist feminism and what she calls socialist feminism in _Feminist_Politics_and_Human_Nature. While there are some differences in emphasis in the two theories, both agree that changes in the material conditions of society (domestic and economic relations, for example) are necessary for women (or any other oppressed or discriminated against class) to gain equality and/or freedom. Materialist feminism would also maintain that the differences between men and women *do* exist (while liberal feminists would say there are no important differences between men and women) but that those differences are socially constructed (while radical feminists would insist that they are biological, essential and immutable). The goal would then be to change the material conditions of society so that the differences between men and women would be erased. (Obviously the race would still have two *sexes* but there would no longer be two *genders*). That is my current understanding of materialist feminism, I would like to hear other points of view and any criticisms as I am relatively new to this area. Thanks, Tabe. Tabor Fisher, Assistant Professor of Philosophy Tulsa Junior College, 10300 E. 81st Street Tulsa, OK 74133 USA tfisher@tulsajc.tulsa.cc.ok.us From jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Tue Mar 7 21:02:10 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 23:01:06 EST From: JUDITH LORBER To: SWS-LIST@NCSU.EDU, SOCPOL-L@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU, MATFEM@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Subject: conference in Russia From: MX%"beijing95-l@netcom.com" 7-MAR-1995 08:53:02.30 6/3/95 I am a Peace Corps Volunteer in Samara, Russia and the business women's club here is organizing a women's conference June 19th 20th, 1995 with the following subjects: marketing, advertising, investing, hiring/firing staff(Personnel issues), Women in Politics, Psychological characteristics of successful women, How to start a business. These are general issues with the desire for concrete techniques/ideas as related to Russia. The format will be hopefully to have successfull american business women and successful russian women on panels to discuss these relevant issues. Therefore, I am looking for women who will be in our area/russia at this time who might be interested in participating as a panelist or as a participant. Naturally, we have no money to pay for expenses to get here, but for those presenting we would be most generous when you get here as far as a place to stay and interpreters. For those participants who would come I am pretty sure we could get home stays for you-which would benefit us and you. WE are trying to negotiate a boat to float up and down Volga for the conference. We expect the cost of conference to be about $US200.00 so let me hear from those who might be interested. Thanks. Susan B. Gallagher, Samara, Russia susan@sambc.samara.su _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Tue Mar 7 21:22:49 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 1995 23:18:54 EST From: JUDITH LORBER To: SWS-LIST@NCSU.EDU, SOCPOL-L@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU, MATFEM@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Subject: contacting Copenhagen delegates From: MX%"beijing95-l@netcom.com" 7-MAR-1995 Subj: (fwd) The World Summit for Social Development From: IGC News Desk /* Written 8:51 PM Feb 27, 1995 by ngonetny in igc:un.socsummit */ /* ---------- "Distant Lobbying during WSSD" ---------- */ The World Summit for Social Development The future in brackets? In a few days, the World Summit for Social Development will be held in Copenhagen, Denmark, 6-12 March. 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During the WSSD please write your message to the following address: messages@wssd.apc.org indicating who your message is addressed to. We will deliver your message to the requested delegation(s) and you will get a message back, informing about the delivery. The APC Networks will be disseminating Social Summit information through a series of electronic conferences. Look for information on the WSSD negotiations in the conference 'un.socsummit'. Two conferences have been created for small partner hosts with summarized, updated key information on the negotiations: un.socsumm.key (English) un.socsumm.cle (French) Information to non-members of the APC will be distributed by e-mail. For further information, please write to: ngonetny@igc.apc.org ngonet@chasque.apc.org ** End of text from cdp:headlines ** *************************************************************************** This material came from PeaceNet, a non-profit progressive networking service. For more information, send a message to peacenet-info@igc.apc.org *************************************************************************** _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From CZSJ@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Wed Mar 8 06:17:56 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 08 Mar 1995 06:14:44 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 08:16:34 -0500 (EST) From: johnson Subject: Re: Male feminism In-reply-to: In reply to your message of TUE 07 MAR 1995 15:38:40 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu sarah, off the top of my head is the iron john stuff by robert bly. will keep my ears open for stuff on male feminism and or masculinity studies....the latter which might be a subject heading for searching. stacey johnson, mcgill U montreal, canada >I am a graduate student at University of Michigan pursuing a joint Ph.D >in Personality Psychology and Women's Studies. I am currently engaged in >a literature review for >my Master's thesis, which will address male feminist identity--both what >factors may lead to men developing a feminist identity and how feminist men >conceptualize their feminist identity. Very little >research has been done on these topics, as far as I >have been able to discover, in any case. I am hoping for some leads on >where to search for theoretical and/or scientific research oriented >papers or books that address these or related topics. If any one has >references or suggestions for me, I would much appreciate the help. >Thank you. >Sarah Moldenhauer From eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu Wed Mar 8 07:06:55 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 06:06:52 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Bouse To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Male feminism In-Reply-To: You might start with Alice Jardine and Paul Smith's _Men in Feminism_. It's a bit dated, but interesting. Good luck! Susan Bouse UC, Irvine eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu From rleidner@sas.upenn.edu Wed Mar 8 12:00:19 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:00:09 -0500 From: rleidner@sas.upenn.edu (Robin Leidner) Subject: conference in Russia Hi Jerry: Maybe for Yulia or someone she knows? Robin From: MX%"beijing95-l@netcom.com" 7-MAR-1995 08:53:02.30 6/3/95 I am a Peace Corps Volunteer in Samara, Russia and the business women's club here is organizing a women's conference June 19th 20th, 1995 with the following subjects: marketing, advertising, investing, hiring/firing staff(Personnel issues), Women in Politics, Psychological characteristics of successful women, How to start a business. These are general issues with the desire for concrete techniques/ideas as related to Russia. The format will be hopefully to have successfull american business women and successful russian women on panels to discuss these relevant issues. Therefore, I am looking for women who will be in our area/russia at this time who might be interested in participating as a panelist or as a participant. Naturally, we have no money to pay for expenses to get here, but for those presenting we would be most generous when you get here as far as a place to stay and interpreters. For those participants who would come I am pretty sure we could get home stays for you-which would benefit us and you. WE are trying to negotiate a boat to float up and down Volga for the conference. We expect the cost of conference to be about $US200.00 so let me hear from those who might be interested. Thanks. Susan B. Gallagher, Samara, Russia susan@sambc.samara.su _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From jae2@tmphost.york.ac.uk Wed Mar 8 17:29:58 MST 1995 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 00:18:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Judy Evans To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Uncl: Materialist Feminism In-Reply-To: <19950307.215442.TFISHER@TULSAJC> I was glad to hear about the Routledge book, but I still have questions about what materialist feminism is - which amount to whether there can be _a_ materialist feminism. (I don't want to suggest that makes matfem any different from other schools of feminist thought. But there may be more uncertainty about it.) I have - nothing like beginning with a mea culpa! - written a text that manages to omit 'materialist feminism', reference Delphy and Leonard, and note reasonably forcefully the neglect of class within 'socialist feminism', though it does. My stance is 'materialist'. I put that in quotation marks because it and 'historical materialism' are terms which I find intimidating and not always easy to grasp, except by reference to what they aren't. My major question is this. What distinguishes 'materialist feminism' from a feminism that rejects the epistemology and ontology of postmodernism etc., that bemoans a focus on identity politics and the neglect of class? (And that probably does not call itself 'socialist'. Is that because of poststructuralist influences on much socialist feminism?) Are Delphy and Leonard not materialist radical feminists? Where - a point that has just occurred to me - would Mackinnon fit in? This is beginning to sound like a list of points. But my questions are not rhetorical and I would be really interested to hear what list members think. Judy ---------------------------------------------------------- Judy Evans - Politics - jae2@unix.york.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- From RNBBC%CUNYVM.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU Wed Mar 8 19:52:11 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 08 Mar 1995 19:48:59 -0700 (MST) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with RFC822 id 4279; Wed, Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 21:49:01 -0500 (EST) From: Renate Subject: Re: conference in Russia In-reply-to: Message of Wed, 08 Mar 1995 12:08:12 -0700 from To: matfem@CSF.COLORADO.EDU In re: conference in Samara -- The women in business should know that three out of four Russians oppose their country developing towards a market economy, according to an opinion poll published by the European Union March 7. This is reported in the FINANCIAL TIMES of March 8, 1995. From Renate Bridenthal. From bcragin@emory.edu Wed Mar 8 20:20:03 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 22:19:15 -0500 (EST) From: Becca Cragin To: TFISHER@tulsajc.tulsa.cc.ok.us Subject: Defining Mat. Fem... In-Reply-To: <19950307.215442.TFISHER@TULSAJC> In a recent post Tabor Fisher wrote: > Materialist feminism would also maintain > that the differences between men and women *do* exist (while > liberal feminists would say there are no important differences > between men and women) but that those differences are socially > constructed (while radical feminists would insist that they are > biological, essential and immutable). Like many of the others who have posted so far, I am not clear on what the major differences are between definitions of materialist- or socialist- or Marxist feminism, and would be interested in hearing some responses from people who define their feminism this way. I would also like to refute Tabor's definition of radical feminists as feminists who believe in innate, unchangeable (substantive) differences between men and women. That claim is thrown about a lot. A lot of times in what seems to be a rhetorical battle over who is the most feminist -- that is, "those terrible women over there are so essentialist and simplistic and fail to understand the blah blah blah" without closely examining what those women are actually saying. (I am not saying this is what motivates Tabor's post, just that this is a common kind of dismissal of 'camps' of feminism, usually radical, 'cultural' or lesbian-, that I see going on). I don't know _any_ feminists who believe in a biological basis of gender difference -- otherwise, why would they waste their time being feminists? Sometimes some feminists' arguments may look, at a quick glance, that way (for instance, Adrienne Rich gets accused of essentialism a lot, in a way that I think does not do justice to the complexity and thoughtfulness of her work), but I honestly feel that is a common stereotype which in my experience is not at all accurate (although I leave room for the possibility that there are a few self-defined feminists out there like that! Who knows?...) I do not mean this in any way as a flame. I think it's a common accusation -- essentialism -- that needs to be examined more closely. Still sorting it all out, 'Becca Cragin bcragin@emory.edu From jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Wed Mar 8 20:51:01 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 22:50:29 EST From: JUDITH LORBER To: SWS-LIST@NCSU.EDU, MATFEM@CSF.COLORADO.EDU, FISKE@UNBC.EDU, SOCPOL-L@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU Subject: soc.feminism.international From: MX%"beijing95-l@netcom.com" 8-MAR-1995 19:04:32.60 To: JLO CC: Subj: BEIJING95-L on WWIRE & RFD: soc.feminism.international Return-Path: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Gagliardi Subject: BEIJING95-L on WWIRE & RFD: soc.feminism.international To: beijing95-l@netcom.com Sender: owner-beijing95-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Reply-To: beijing95-l@netcom.com Greetings on International Women's Day, March 8, 1995! GREAT NEWS! In honor of International Women's Day, Women's Wire Online Service has inaugurated a new discussion forum dedicated to the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women (Beijing, Sept 1995) entitled: UN Women - Beijing95. This forum is hosted by Jennifer Gagliardi and includes four sub-forums: UN Women - Beijing95--a gender-inclusive discussion forum on topics related to the UN Women's Conference & international feminism; a read-only file of BEIJING95-L; a Beijing Resources FAQ; and a discussion forum dedicated to Gossip Gospel, an evolving multi-media project coordinated by Lisa Citron . The UN Women - Beijing95 Forum is located under WWire's EXCHANGES. You can access WWire many ways: the very best way is to call WWire @ 800-210-9999 and ask for their new (free) subscriber kit which includes a manual & diskette with WWire-specific scripts of FirstClass Client 2.6, and a booklet complete with Compuserve access phone-numbers--yes, you can now access WWire via the magic of the Compuserv links! The monthly subscription price has also dropped to $9.95 per month which includes 3 hours of online time gratis. You can also telnet to WWire @ address 204.160.94.132 for text-only access. For further info via e-mail, please contact WWire . Hope to see y'all at WWire's UN Women's - Beijing95 forum soon! A special thanks to Nancy Rhine , Eva Shaderowfsky , Lisa Citron , and the Resource-Folk at WWire for making this all possible. ********************************************************************** RFD: soc.feminism.international In honor of International Women's Day, I submitted the following Request for Discussion to USENET news.groups: ************************************ USENET news.groups post #129263 Request for Discussion for the formation of a new USENET .soc group: soc.feminism.international soc.feminism.international will be an unmoderated group dedicated to national and international activities of the feminist and pro-feminist movement. Topics include prepations for the upcoming United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women, women's healthcare, women labor practices & abuses, international and national laws concerning the rights of women, etc. Women of all colors/creeds/classes/abilities/sexual orintations are encouraged to share their own personal experiences in relation to international feminist movement(s). Thank you for your consideration! Jennifer Gagliardi gagliardi@netcom.com **************************************** If you support the creation of soc.feminism.international or have any further comments, please access USENET news.groups, find post #129263 "RFD: soc.feminism.international" and reply to this post so a thread can be created. If you don't have access to USENET, you can still voice your opinion by sending a mail msg to news.groups.usenet@decwrl.dec.com (USA) or news.groups@news.demon.co.uk (UK) (other countries, please try the closest location). In the subject line please enter: "RFD:soc.feminism.international"; in the text, please refer to post #129263 and add your comments. Discussion about the pros & cons for a new group may take from four to six weeks, then there will be a call for balloting, followed by the actual voting which may take another four to six weeks. I will make periodic updates to BEIJING95-L and other feminist forums on soc.feminism.international's progress. Thanks to one and all for you input on the creation of soc.feminism.international (original suggestion: alt.women.u-n.conference.beijing95). My apologies for the solitary BEIJING95-L post on Int'l Women's Day--my internet service provider was DOWN from 3:30-10am! More tommorow! Blessings! Jennifer Gagliardi gagliajn@netcom.com moderator BEIJING95-L _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Wed Mar 8 22:14:46 MST 1995 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 00:14:23 EST From: JUDITH LORBER To: MATFEM@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Subject: men and feminism RECOMMENDED READING -- MEN AND FEMINISM Anderson, Elijah. 1990. Streetwise: Race, class and change in an urban community. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. Brod, Harry (ed.). 1987. The making of masculinities. Boston: Allen & Unwin. Chapman, Rowena and Jonathan Rutherford (eds.). 1988. Male order: Unwrapping masculinity. London: Lawrence & Wishart. Collinson, David L. 1988. "Engineering humor": Masculinity, joking and conflict in shop-floor relations. Organization Studies 9:181-99. Collinson, David and Jeff Hearn. 1994. Naming men as men: implications for work, organization and management. Gender, Work and Organization 1:2-22. Connell, R.[Robert] W. 1987. Gender and power. Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press. _____. 1990a. The state, gender, and sexual politics: Theory and appraisal. Theory and Society 19:507-44. _____. 1990b. A whole new world: Remaking masculinity in the context of the environmental movement. Gender & Society 4:452- 78. _____. 1992. A very straight gay: Masculinity, homosexual experience, and gender. American Sociological Review 57:735- 51. -----. 1993. The big picture: Masculinities in recent world history. Theory and Society 22:597-623. Franklin, Clyde W. II. 1988. Men and society. Chicago: Nelson-Hall. Hansen, Karen V. 1992. "Our eyes behold each other": Masculinity and intimate friendship in antebellum New England. In Men's friendships, edited by Peter M. Nardi. Newbury Park, CA: Sage. Hearn, Jeff, and David Morgan (eds.). 1990. Men, masculinities and social theory. London: Unwin Hyman. Jardine, Alice and Paul Smith (eds.). 1987. Men in feminism. New York and London: Routledge. Kimmel, Michael S. 1987a. Men's responses to feminism at the turn of the century. Gender & Society 1:261-83. _____ (ed.). 1987b. Changing men: New directions in research on men and masculinity. Newbury Park, CA: Sage. _____ (ed.). 1991. Men confront pornography. New York: Meridian. Kimmel, Michael S. and Michael A. Messner (eds.). 1995. Men's lives, 3rd edition. New York: Macmillan. Lorber, Judith. 1994. Paradoxes of Gender. New Haven, CT: Yale University Press. Majors, Richard and Janet Mancini Billson. 1992. Cool pose: The dilemmas of Black manhood in America. New York: Lexington Books. May, Larry and Robert A. Strikwerda (eds). 1992. Rethinking masculinity: Philosophical explorations in the light of feminism. Lanham, MD: Rowman and Littlefield. Messner, Michael A. 1992. Power at play: Sports and the problem of masculinity. Boston: Beacon Press. Messner, Michael A. and Donald F. Sabo. 1994. Sex, violence, and power in sports: Rethinking masculinity. Freedom CA: Crossing Press. Messner, Michael A. and Donald F. Sabo (eds.). 1990. Sport, men, and the gender order: Critical feminist perspectives. Champaigne, IL: Human Kinetics. Porter, David (ed.). Between men and feminism. New York and London: Routledge. Rowan, John. 1987. The horned god: Feminism and men as wounding and healing. New York and London: Routledge. Segal, Lynne. 1990. Slow motion: Changing masculinities, changing men. New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers University Press. Seidler, Victor J. 1991. Recreating sexual politics: Men, feminism and politics. New York and London: Routledge. y12Staples, Robert. 1982. Black masculinity: The Black male's roles in American society. San Francisco, CA: Black Scholar Press. Stoltenberg, John. 1990. Refusing to be a man: Essays on sex and justice. New York: Meridian. Stoltenberg. John. 1993. The end of manhood: A book for men of conscience. New York: Plume. Williams, Christine L. 1989. Gender differences at work: Women and men in nontraditional occupations. Berkeley: University of California Press. _____. 1992. The glass escalator: Hidden advantages for men in the "female" professions. Social Problems 39:253-67. _____. Forthcoming. Still a man's world: Men who do "women's work." Berkeley: University of California Press. _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From BNABC%CUNYVM.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU Thu Mar 9 06:13:49 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 09 Mar 1995 06:10:35 -0700 (MST) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with RFC822 id 2736; Thu, Date: Thu, 09 Mar 1995 08:03:27 -0500 (EST) From: bonnie anderson Subject: Re: Defining Mat. Fem... In-reply-to: Message of Wed, 08 Mar 1995 20:22:24 -0700 from To: matfem@CSF.COLORADO.EDU On the definition of radical feminism -- I reacted similarly to B.C. Ragin about conflating radical feminism with essentialism. To me radical implies an impatience with the status quo and a willingness to explore creative solutions which cut to the root of oppression. Radical feminists are often socialists, but if there is a genuine conflict between the two, they will put feminism first. I've come to this view out of a book I'm writing on mid-nineteentth century radical feminists in Europe and the US (I'm a historian). On materialist feminism, there's a fuzziness about the definition which might be beneficial (I've been thinking more about spectrums than "a or not-a" and about both/and rather than either/or). But I could use some help -- right now I feel I'm on the side I believe in but I'd be hard pressed to define it. Bonnie Anderson From soa00@cc.keele.ac.uk Thu Mar 9 07:29:55 MST 1995 From: "J. Van Every" Subject: radical feminism and essentialism To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:29:32 +0000 (GMT) Like other members of the list, I get frustrated with the assumption (so often made) that radical feminists (and particularly separatists) are essentialists. Some of the best accounts of the social construction of gender are written by radical lesbian separatists. I recommend Marilyn Frye and Monique Wittig. More generally though I often doubt the usefulness of "taxonomies" of feminism particularly the common limited one Liberal, Socialist, Radical. Feminisms are much more diverse and overlapping. So while there may be a purpose in defining materialist feminism for the purposes of giving a focus to this list, do we really want a more precise definition? Why? Maybe if we focussed on more substantive issues, it would all become clearer. Jo VanEvery Keele University soa00@cc.keele.ac.uk From eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu Thu Mar 9 08:16:30 MST 1995 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:16:29 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Bouse To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: defining materialist feminism I've been interested in the discussion about defining materialist feminism, because I was recently forced to do so for my qualifying examinations. It seems to me that there's a struggle going on to claim materialist feminism for various purposes. I'm not so sure this is bad. Rather, I think this is precisely how theory moves forward. I'm particularly interested in what appears to me to be a shift from a more strictly materialist materialist feminism to a materialist feminism that seems willing to embrace certain aspects of discourse theory or, more broadly, certain tenants of postmodernism. I've been at conferences where this shift has angered other materialist feminists, yet I've also watched critics like Michelle Barrett move from a position that clearly rejects discourse theory to a more accomodating stance. I guess this is a roundabout way of responding to the question about what separates materialist feminism from feminism that embraces postmodernism. I think many materialist feminists would claim there isn't much difference. Susan Bouse eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu UC, Irvine From Elizabeth.Bounds@vt.edu Fri Mar 10 06:11:52 MST 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:14:58 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: Elizabeth.Bounds@vt.edu (Elizabeth Bounds) Subject: A New Topic--Ideology vs. Discourse I have been puzzling over some theoretical questions as part of a manuscript I am revising and thought that one question at least might be one of interest to this list. I had originally cast what I had done as ideological critique, drawing on (revised, Gramsci-connected) marxist sources. But the trend in my field (religion) is to use discourse analysis. Now, I am aware that dicsourse analysis could be seen as a tranformation of the heritage of ideology (with a little help from Foucault). And my work IS a criticism of intellectual discussions of community, so it is, indeed, about language, not about, say, economic institutions. But I am wary of a loss of critical possibilities in the move to discourse analysis, which often seems to get lost in the language and never get to the political transformative questions. Any thoughts about this? Am I creating an unnecessary dilemma? Elizabeth Bounds Religious Studies Program Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 24061-0135 Phone: 703-231-7617 Fax: 703-231-6367 E-Mail: Elizabeth.Bounds@vt.edu From fiatlux@umich.edu Fri Mar 10 07:29:59 MST 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:29:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Vera M. Britto" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: FREEDOM OF SPEECH, CRIME AND THE LAW ON THE INTERNET In-Reply-To: <0098D12F.79D47A48.9555@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu> Intro - I have also been accompanying the interactions between people asking about definitions on mat.feminism: what is it? how is it different than other feminisms, etc. I am still trying to understand it better. Yesterday I attended a great panel discussion regarding the Jake Baker incident - questions dealing with violence against women, crime, pornography, freedom of speech, the law, etc were addressed. For those who may be interested more info below. My question is: how is material feminism positioned in any of these issues? is the label/category mat. fem. at all applicable or are the issues mat. fem addresses different? Does the category fall apart when issues that were discussed below come into play? In opposition to what does the category hold? BEYOND JAKE BAKER - POLICING THE INTERNET Speech, Privacy and the New Media The Michigan Telecommunications and Technology Law Review at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor has just sponsored a panel discussion on issues related to the Jake Baker incident. Issues included First Amendment rights and protected speech, the basis for federal regulation of interactive communications, challenges and contradictions posed by the new media, privacy, pornography and violence, obscenity, harrassment, and community standards. A transcript of the proceedings along with information on the Jake Baker case will be available as of 3/11/95 on the Web at: url=http://www.umich.edu/~umlaw/mttlr.html The Panelists were: Catharine MacKinnon - Prof. of Law - Univ. of Michigan The foremost feminist legal scholar in the US today, Prof. MacKinnon is also the author of several books. She was a pioneer in issues of sexual harrassment as a form of sex discrimination, pornography as a violation of civil rights, and other issues. Scott Charney - Dir. of Computer Crimes Unit - US Dept. of Justice Mr. Charney has been involved in developing proposed legislation to regulate workplace monitoring, security of information guidelines, and the computer crime sentencing scheme. He has also been involved in several major hacker prosecutions (such as the Masters of Deception in NYC). Virginia Rezmierski - Asst. for Policy Studies - Information Technology Division - Univ. of Michigan Ms. Rezmierski is a specialist in electronic mail privacy, liability and conflicting rights on the networks and the importance to establish personal soundaries in teh use of information technology. Daniel Weitzner - Deputy Dir. -Center for Democracy and Technology Mr. Weitzner works developing policies related to the National Information Infrastructure, teh Internet, advanced communication netowrks, and other things. He developed the rationale for the expanded privacy protections for emailing enacted by Congress last year. Barry Steinhardt - Assoc. Dir. - American civil Liberties Union Mr. Steinhardts chairs the ACLU's Cyber Liberties Task Force. He is also the author of several articles on related issues. Vera Britto (fiatlux@umich.edu) ............................................................................ "Y no estimo tesoros ni riquezas; y asi, siempre me causa mas contento poner riquezas en mi pensamiento que no mi pensamiento en las riquezas. Y no estimo hermosura que, vencida, es despojo civil de las edades, ni riqueza me agrada fementida, teniendo por mejor, en mis verdades, consumir vanidades de la vida que consumir la vida en vanidades." Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz From STILES@social.chass.ncsu.edu Fri Mar 10 07:46:35 MST 1995 From: "Elizabeth A. Stiles, Public Administration" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:46:28 EDT Subject: Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH, CRIME AND THE LAW ON THE INTERNET X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Elizabeth A. Stiles, Public Administration" maybe i've been living in a hole the last while but would someone tell me about the jake baker incident? all the issues that this incident brings up interest me but i haven't heard what happened. respond privately if you think everyone else knows what this is. thanks Elizabeth A. Stiles Stiles@social.chass.ncsu.edu From Jane.Haslett@UAlberta.CA Fri Mar 10 09:54:45 MST 1995 (8.6.5/UA2.0.0.93Dec20) id JAA09983 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:54:44 -0700 (MST) From: Jane Haslett To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: radical feminism and essentialism In-Reply-To: <3405.9503091429@potter.cc.keele.ac.uk> On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, J. Van Every wrote: (snip) > Like other members of the list, I get frustrated with the assumption (so > often made) that radical feminists (and particularly separatists) are > essentialists. Some of the best accounts of the social construction of > gender are written by radical lesbian separatists. I recommend Marilyn Frye > and Monique Wittig. > But could one not see Monique Wittig as a materialist feminist as much as she is a radical lesbian separatist? Jane Jane.Haslett@ualberta.ca From Jane.Haslett@UAlberta.CA Fri Mar 10 10:08:20 MST 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:08:09 -0700 (MST) From: Jane Haslett To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH, CRIME AND THE LAW ON THE INTERNET In-Reply-To: Just curious - being from Canada, I would like to know what "the Jake Baker incident" is - obviously the proposed new legislation on policing the internet is germane, but who is Jake???? Jane (Jane.Haslett@ualberta.ca) From DCloud@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu Fri Mar 10 11:37:37 MST 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 24:38 CDT To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: DCloud@utxvm.cc.utexas.edu Subject: A New Topic--Ideology vs. Discou In-Reply-To: The letter of Friday, 10 March 1995 7:17am CT I think the question of distinctions between ideology and discourse is an important one; it is trendy across disciplines to talk about discourses as themselves "material," thus detaching texts from their economic and political contexts and justifying inattention to the interest-governed systematicity of ideological discourses. Still, though, trying to publish essays that use the terms "ideology" and "hegemony" in classical, materialist ways, can be a challenge. If I understand it correctly, this list is committed to a materialist analysis of gender and power, including issues of labor, economics, and so forth. So others on the list are probably extensively familiar with the debate about the discursive turn and its consequences. But I would like to mention an article of mine called "The Materiality of Discourse as Oxymoron," which was published in the Western Communication Journal (I am a rhetorician) Fall 1994. Although the article is pitched to a Communication Studies crowd, it might be helpful to others as well. I also recommend the work of Terry Eagleton (Ch. 7 of Ideology: An Introduction takes on the discursive turn) and Christopher Norris (_Uncritical Theory_). There is also a book published by Sage called _After Postmodernism: Reconstructing Ideology Critique_. It seems to me that many of the suggestions on this list for fundamental readings in materialist feminism also address the problems and contributions of post-Foucault theories of discourse and power. I'd love to hear anyone else's suggestions. Thanks. Dana Cloud University of Texas From fiatlux@umich.edu Fri Mar 10 12:10:56 MST 1995 Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:10:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Vera M. Britto" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: FREEDOM OF SPEECH, CRIME AND THE LAW ON THE INTERNET In-Reply-To: On Fri, 10 Mar 1995, Jane Haslett wrote: > Just curious - being from Canada, I would like to know what "the Jake > Baker incident" is - obviously the proposed new legislation on policing > the internet is germane, but who is Jake???? Jane (Jane.Haslett@ualberta.ca) > Since I received a few requests about what is the Baker incident, I have summarized it below in a brief informal factual manner. The Jake Baker "incident." jake baker,a 20 yr old Univ. of Michigan std, was arrested by FBI agents on Feb 9, 1995, because of the events described below. jake baker had posted several extremely sadistic stories regarding the torture, rape and murder of fictional women on the Internet usegroup alt.sex.stories since last fall. On Jan 9, Baker posted a story in which the woman he severely tortures is someone he knows from a previous class. On Jan 19, the university is notified and on Feb 2, Univ. President Duderstadt suspends Baker on the grounds that he is an immediate threat to the woman named in his story. During the months of dec 94 and jan 95, Baker had also communicated by email with Arthur Gronda, a man in Ontario, describing the planning of how to kidnap, rape and murder a woman. the US Attorney's Office released such email msgs: "As I said before, my room is right across from the girl's bathroom. Wiat (sic) until late at night, grab her when she goes to unlock the door. Knock her unconscious, and put her into one of those portable lockers (forgot the word for it), or even a duffle bag. Then hurry her out to the car and take her away," Baker to Gronda. Gronda replies," I have been out tonight and I can tell you that I am thinking more about "doing" a girl. I can picture it so well... and I can think of no better use for their flesh. I HAVE to make a bitch suffer!" Baker was arrested on Feb. 9. He was denied bail on the belief that he was too dangerous to be released. He was indicted by a grand jury on Feb 15, charged with violating 18 U.S.C. 875 (that is - transmission of a communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another). this crime is a federal felony. on feb 17, 1995, Baker is arraigned and pleads not guilty. ---- As one can see, even from the very brief description above, there are various extremely complex issues that intertwine. The ACLU (if I remember correctly) and other such groups have jumped to Baker's defense saying that what he wrote is not a threat but mere fantasy, thus he was just exercizing his right to "freedom" of speech. A host of women's groups dealing with violence against women, pornography, etc emphatically point out that this is not "freedom," it is criminal, and the consequences are very grave. For more info, pls check out the Web on this. Vera Britto (fiatlux@umich.edu) ............................................................................ "Y no estimo tesoros ni riquezas; y asi, siempre me causa mas contento poner riquezas en mi pensamiento que no mi pensamiento en las riquezas. Y no estimo hermosura que, vencida, es despojo civil de las edades, ni riqueza me agrada fementida, teniendo por mejor, en mis verdades, consumir vanidades de la vida que consumir la vida en vanidades." Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz From Domna.C.Stanton@um.cc.umich.edu Fri Mar 10 13:16:02 MST 1995 From: Domna.C.Stanton@um.cc.umich.edu Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 15:14:54 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: men and feminism thanks for the bib of the construction fo masculinity. ds From INGRAHAM@ALBNYVMS.BITNET Fri Mar 10 14:16:09 MST 1995 From: INGRAHAM@ALBNYVMS.BITNET id <01HNZ6KB6P6U8WYA7R@albnyvms.BITNET>; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:13:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:13:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: radical feminism and essentialism To: matfem@csf.colorado.EDU Wittig, herself, claims to be a materialist feminist and gestures at a early geneology of mat fem. Chrys Ingraham From INGRAHAM@ALBNYVMS.BITNET Fri Mar 10 14:18:35 MST 1995 From: INGRAHAM@ALBNYVMS.BITNET id <01HNZ6N33I5C8WYA7R@albnyvms.BITNET>; Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:16:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 16:16:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A New Topic--Ideology vs. Discou To: matfem@csf.colorado.EDU Could also look at Rosemary Hennessy's: Materialist Feminism and the Politics of Discourse published by Routledge where she addresses just such issues. Chrys Ingraham From TFISHER@TULSAJC.TULSA.CC.OK.US Fri Mar 10 16:10:57 MST 1995 Date: 10 Mar 95 17:09:43 UTC From: To: Subject: Uncl: Essentialism and Radical Feminism From: Tabor Since I started this whole thread, I feel I must respond to the outpouring of reactions to my assumption that radical feminism is essentialist. I have read the posts and looked back at notes, articles, etc. and have made a few observations: First, I am disappointed in myself when I realize that I was given the overview of feminist philosophy that breaks the field down into liberal, radical and socialist and having read short summaries of each then went to the primary texts with all those presuppositions in mind. I even recall reading some texts and having nagging doubts that they fit the stereotype, but just "forcing" what I was reading into the paradigm. Aargh! That really makes me mad at myself (so I understand why others were angry at me, too.) It is a joy, however, to discover that I have so much in common with radical feminists. The labels do not need to separate us. I agree with those who have been expressing the opinion that we do not need to define ourselves that clearly. The labels aren't necessary. I know I am on the same wavelength with anyone who does a materialist analysis. I still, however, am troubled by anyone who claims that women have some kind of "edge" morally because we are capable of birthing children. I don't think that childbearing *in itself* makes us any more or any less likely to feel connected with, protective of or loving toward others. I don't think it automatically makes us pacifists. When I was pregnant with my first child I did find myself reaching out to others more, becoming more relational. But I know that a great deal of that "networking" grew out of my knowledge that I would need help once the child arrived. I was in a very traditional relationship at the time and knew that I would be the primary caregiver for my child. I needed the help and advice of other parents (mostly women who were in the same situation I was). My husband and I subsequently re-ordered our relationship and child care is much more equitable now. I did not find myself experiencing a surge of "maternal" or "loving" feelings during my second pregnancy. Now this is just one person's experience, but I think it points to an interpretation that a feeling of care, concern or connectedness is as much socially constructed as it is based on the biological processes of bearing a child. I did look back at Wittig, and she calls herself a materialist feminist. I agree with all that she says, except for the lesbian separatism. (If I am reading her right on that. At least it is clear from what I read that she encourages political lesbian--chosing to be lesbian being a political act, expressing a feminist standpoint.) I believe Marilyn Frye has that view, also. But other than that, which is not universal among radical feminists, I do not find major differences between radical feminists and myself. (I consider myself a socialist feminist.) At least not now that I go back to the texts willing to see whatever emerges. For that more open minded perspective I thank the list. I really do appreciate the discussion here. It has openned my eyes. If I've gotten it wrong again in this post, correct me again. I've got nothing to lose but ignorance! :-) Tabe. Tabor Fisher, Assistant Professor of Philosophy Tulsa Junior College, 10300 E. 81st Street Tulsa, OK 74133 USA tfisher@tulsajc.tulsa.cc.ok.us From jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Sat Mar 11 23:39:45 MST 1995 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 01:38:10 EST From: JUDITH LORBER To: SWS-LIST@NCSU.EDU, SOCPOL-L@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU, MATFEM@CSF.COLORADO.EDU, FISKE@UNBC.EDU, MCANTOR@AMERICAN.EDU Subject: response to Copenhagen summit statement From: MX%"beijing95-l@netcom.com" 11-MAR-1995 04:35:36.12 To: JLO CC: Subj: social summit alternative Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 09:00:00 -0800 (PST) From: The Development GAP To: Recipients of women-180days Subject: social summit alternative Sender: owner-beijing95-l@netcom.com Precedence: list Reply-To: beijing95-l@netcom.com (moderator BEIJING95-L comment: this was forwarded from women-180days . 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We, representatives of social movements, NGOs and citizens' groups participating in the NGO Forum during the World Summit for Social Development (WSSD), share a common vision of a world which recognizes its essential oneness and interdependence while wholly embracing human diversity in all its racial, ethnic, cultural and religious manifestations, where justice and equity for all its inhabitants is the first priority in all endeavours and enterprises and in which the principles of democracy and popular participation are universally upheld, so that the long-dreamed creation of a peaceful, cooperative and sustainable civilization can at long last be made possible. In this context, we expected that the Social Summit would address the structural causes of poverty, unemployment and social disintegration, as well as environmental degradation, and would place people at the center of the development process. These include not only economic, political and social causes, but also the cultural structures of gender inequity. While some progress was achieved in placing critical issues on the table during the Summit negotiation process, we believe that the economic framework adopted in the draft documents is in basic contradiction with the objectives of equitable and sustainable social development. The over-reliance that the documents place on unaccountable "open, free-market forces" as a basis for organizing national and international economies aggravates, rather than alleviates, the current global social crises. This false premise threatens the realization of the stated goals of the Social Summit. The dominant neo-liberal system as a universal model for development has failed. The current debt burden of dozens of countries is unsustainable, as it is draining them of the resources they need to generate economic and social development. Structural adjustment programmes imposed by the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank have consistently undermined economic and social progress by suppressing wages, undermining the contributions and livelihoods of small producers, and placing social services, particularly health care and education, out of reach of the poor. In dismantling basic state services, these programmes have shifted an even greater burden onto women, who care for the nutrition, health, well-being and harmony of the family, as well as community relations. In promoting the rapid exportation of natural resources, deregulating the economy, and pushing increasing numbers of poor people onto marginal lands, adjustment has contributed to the process of ecological degradation. This system has also resulted in an even greater concentration of economic, political, technological and institutional power and control over food and other critical resources in the hands of a relatively few transnational corporations and financial institutions. A system that places growth above all other goals, including human well-being, wrecks economies rather than regenerates them, exploiting women's time, labour and sexuality. It creates incentives for capital to externalize social and environmental costs. It generates jobless growth, derogates the rights of workers, and undermines the role of trade unions. In the process, the system places a disproportionate burden on women and jeopardizes their health and well-being and consequently that of those in their care. Finally, it leads to an unequal distribution in the use of resources between and within countries and generates social apartheid, encourages racism, civil strife and war, and undermines the rights of women and indigenous peoples. It is for these reasons that we also cannot accept the official documents' endorsement of the new trade order as defined in the Final Act of the Uruguay Round and Articles of Agreement on the establishment of the World Trade Organization. The documents do not consider that trade liberalization through the General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs (GATT) and the WTO creates more losers than winners and that the negative impacts will be disastrous for poor countries, and poor and working people within all countries. The interests of local producers, in particular, are undermined in the areas of foreign investment, biodiversity and intellectual property rights. We reject the notion of reducing social policy in developing countries to a "social safety net", presented as the 'human face' of structural adjustment policies in the WSSD documents. This proposal is predicated on the withdrawal of the State from one of its fundamental responsibilities. The slashing of social expenditures in the North as a means of reducing the budget deficit has also undermined many of the achievements of the welfare state. Social development can only be achieved if all human rights - civil, political, economic, social and cultural - of all individuals and peoples are fulfilled. We believe that the Summit documents fail to recognize adequately the primacy of human rights as a prerequisite for a participatory and meaningful social development for all sectors of society, especially for children and such marginalized groups as people with disabilities, indigenous peoples, people in occupied territories, refugees and the displaced. It also fails to note how the undemocratic nature of structural adjustment programmes undermines the rights of citizens and often leads to their repression. In addition, efforts made at the Social Summit to reverse agreements reached in Vienna and Cairo in relation to women's rights represent a further undermining of the possibilities for the kind of fundamental changes required for the creation of just societies. Finally, we note that militarization creates enormous waste of human, natural and financial resources. It causes further inequality and pauperization, political and social violence, including violations against women, and violent conflict that adds to the rising global death toll and the growing number of refugees and displaced people. In rejecting the prevailing global economic model, we do not suggest the imposition of another universal model. Rather, it is a question of innovating and devising local answers to community needs, promoting the skills and energy of women in full equality with men, and benefitting from valuable traditions, as well as new technologies. In light of the foregoing, we consider that the following conditions must be fulfilled at the household, community, national and international levels to realize this alternative vision of development: AT THE HOUSEHOLD LEVEL: * The new vision of development requires the transformation of gender relations, in which women are equal participants in the decision-making process. * Women and men must share responsibility for the care of children, the elderly and people with disabilities. * Domestic violence in all its forms must not be tolerated. * Women must be guaranteed sexual and reproductive choice and health. * Children's rights should be respected and enhanced. AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL: * The keys to effective development are equity, participation, self-reliance, sustainability and a holistic approach to community life. * The capacity of communities to protect their own resource base must be restored. * Governmental and intergovernmental decisions must be built upon the full participation of social movements, citizens' organizations and communities at all stages in the development process, paying special attention to the equal participation of women. * Communities must gain control over the activities of all enterprises that affect their well-being, including transnational corporations. * The political, social and economic empowerment of youth, especially young women, should be fostered. AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL: * All forms of oppression based on gender, race, ethnicity, class, age, disability and religion must be eliminated. * Governments must ensure the full and equal participation of civil society in the processes of economic policy-making and other development decision-making, implementation and monitoring. * Education must be granted as the main instrument to empower youth to take their rightful place in society, enabling them to take control of their lives. Non-formal education should be promoted, drawing on the experiences and skills of non-specialized people. * Governments must ensure the full and equal participation of women in power structures and decision-making at all levels. * National accounting systems should be revised to incorporate women's unpaid work. * Governments must commit themselves to developing national strategies and implementation plans in order to fulfill their responsibilities under the Human Rights covenants. They must regularly report on their progress, in particular their efforts regarding marginalized groups' access to legal procedures. Governments which have not ratified the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) should do so. Governments should work for the approval of the Draft Declaration on the Universal Rights of Indigenous Peoples at the United Nations. * Recognition of and respect for ancestral territorial rights of indigenous peoples and their right to self-determination is an imperative in order to ensure their existence as peoples and cultures. Territories that are still colonized should likewise be accorded their right to sovereignty and self-determination. * Governments must make agrarian reform the basis of sustainable rural economies and ensure access to affordable credit for the poor without discriminating on the basis of gender, race and ethnicity so that people can create their own employment and build their own communities. * Governments should develop sustainable employment programmes, in full consultation with trade unions and employers' organizations. * Governments of industrialized countries should reduce their countries' disproportionately large claim on available natural resources by implementing the appropriate mix of incentives, ecological tax reforms, regulations, and environmental accounting systems to achieve sustainable production and consumption patterns. * Southern governments have the right to protect their people from the effects of deregulated and liberalized trade, especially in areas of food security and domestic production. Moreover, they should be able to regulate the market and take fiscal or legal measures for the purpose of combatting inequalities among their peoples. Africa should be given preferential treatment in this respect. * Governments should commit themselves to reducing military expenditure so that it does not exceed spending on health care and education and increase the conversion of military resources to peaceful purposes. This "peace dividend" should be distributed equally between a national and a global demilitarization fund for social development. There should be a conversion of the military economy to a civilian economy. AT THE INTERNATIONAL LEVEL: * A new partnership in South-North relations requires placing the cultures, development options and long-term strategies of developing countries first, and not those of the North. * It must be recognized that cultural diversity is the principal source of new strength, new actors, new social systems and sustainable development, creating an alternative globalization from below. * There should be an immediate cancellation of bilateral, multilateral and commercial debts of developing countries without the imposition of structural adjustment conditionality. In the longer term, the international community should institutionalize equitable terms of trade. * Policy-based lending and the interference of the World Bank and IMF in the internal affairs of sovereign states should be discontinued. * The Bretton Woods institutions must be made transparent and accountable to civil society in both the South and North. Their policies and programmes should be made people-centered; and participation of social movements and citizens' organizations at all stages in the negotiation of agreements, project implementation and monitoring should be ensured. * Global macro-economic policy should address the structure of poverty and stimulate the levels of real purchasing power. An alternative macro-economic policy will have to meaningfully address the distribution of income and wealth, both between and within countries, leading to a democratization of consumption. This policy would require curbing lavish luxury-goods economies and redirecting resources towards the production of essential consumer goods and social services. * Global production and consumption must stay within the limits of the carrying capacity of the earth. Political regulation is mandatory in order to prevent the global market system from continuing to reward irresponsible behaviour that cares nothing for the household, community, nation and humankind. * Regulatory institutions and instruments of governance and law that are truly democratic and enforceable must be established to prohibit monopolistic structures and behaviour and to ensure that transnational corporations and financial institutions respect the fundamental rights of all peoples. In order to make this possible, TNCs must be reduced in size. Work to complete the Code of Conduct for TNCs should be urgently resumed. * An international, independent body and accountability mechanisms should be set up to monitor, evaluate and effectively regulate the behaviour of transnational corporations and their impact on individual nations, communities, peoples and the environment. * The international community should enforce the application of a tax on all speculative foreign exchange transactions (Tobin tax) of about 0.5%, the revenue of which should go into a global social development fund with adequate control mechanisms. * Effective international machinery to promote renewable energy should be installed in the UN system. * Regional and international organizations should encourage diplomacy, peaceful negotiations and mediation, and promote institutions for research and training in non-violent conflict resolution. * In the 180 days between the Copenhagen Summit and Beijing Conference, we demand an independent investigation and audit of World Bank and IMF performance. In the aftermath of the financial collapse in Mexico, it is essential that the international community prevent future disasters that result from the refusal of the Bretton Woods institutions to depart from the agenda set by the financial and corporate communities, the U.S. government, and Northern financial ministries. Existing power relations do not permit the realization of these goals. We, representatives of civil society, call upon governments and political leaders to recognize that the existing system has opened the most dangerous chasm in human history between an affluent, overconsuming minority and an impoverished majority of humankind in the South and also, increasingly, in the North. No nation so dramatically divided has ever remained stable; no frontier or force can withstand the despair and resentment that a failed system is now actively generating. We do not have much time. We are at the point of leaving to our children a world in which we ourselves would not wish to live. But we do find a tremendous inspiration and hope in the fact that the global NGO community taking part in the Social Summit in such a massive way can forge a common understanding of and strategy for the lasting improvement of humankind and nature. With shared responsibility, we can draw from the present crisis the creativity needed to make a world community that truly works. This is our common commitment as we leave the Copenhagen Summit. _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From rleidner@sas.upenn.edu Sun Mar 12 11:14:43 MST 1995 Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 13:14:46 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: rleidner@sas.upenn.edu (Robin Leidner) Subject: matfem humor In light of the ongoing discussion of the meaning of materialist feminism and its relation to discourse analysis, I can't resist making available to matfem participants my recent piece, "Latkes vs. Hamentashen: A Materialist Feminist Analysis." For those of you unfamiliar with "The Great Debate," here is a brief explanation: The first Latke vs. Hamentash debate, an occasion for deadpan academic parody, was held at the University of Chicago in 1946, and since then similar events have been sponsored annually by many campus Hillel organizations across the US. (Latkes are potato pancakes traditionally served on Chanukah; hamentashen are triangular pastries traditionally served on Purim.) Faculty from various departments are invited to speak on one side or the other using the analytic tools, forms of evidence, and styles of argumentation typical of their disciplines. I was honored with an invitation to speak at the University of Pennsylvania's first debate last December, and used it as an occasion to demonstrate the superiority of materialist feminist analysis over exclusively discursive interpretive strategies. Just in time for Purim, Hilary Ostrov has made a version of my oration available on the internet, with annotations to help non-Jews get the jokes. You can find it at this address: http://haven.uniserve.com/~hostrov/latkes.html I hope none of you will take this relatively light-hearted use of materialist feminism amiss, but will agree that it serves a useful educational function. Robin Leidner Sociology, University of Pennsylvania rleidner@sas.upenn.edu From CZSJ@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Sun Mar 12 14:50:23 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 12 Mar 1995 14:47:07 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 1995 15:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: johnson Subject: Re: A New Topic--Ideology vs. Discourse In-reply-to: In reply to your message of FRI 10 MAR 1995 08:12:18 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu your concern is very intuitive and speaks to one of my concerns about discourse analysis...admitting to an on again and off again desire for discursive types of work. i am presently dealing with such issues in working in the area of home movie production of the 50s and the discursive construction around manuals and advice columns in popular photograpy mags and parenting mags of the period. while discourse analysis is very important one must not get too wrapped up in discursive representations and lose sight of very real material conditions...my attraction to this list for example. while discourse analysis reveals a lot about how things get talked about...can this also tell us as much about material relations and what people actually do with their lives...in the case of home movies, for example, what can discourse tell us about how people actually used these technologies. just a thought. any comments? stacey johnson communications, mcgill university, montreal, canada > I have been puzzling over some theoretical questions as part of a >manuscript I am revising and thought that one question at least might be >one of interest to this list. I had originally cast what I had done as >ideological critique, drawing on (revised, Gramsci-connected) marxist >sources. But the trend in my field (religion) is to use discourse >analysis. Now, I am aware that dicsourse analysis could be seen as a >tranformation of the heritage of ideology (with a little help from >Foucault). And my work IS a criticism of intellectual discussions of >community, so it is, indeed, about language, not about, say, economic >institutions. But I am wary of a loss of critical possibilities in the >move to discourse analysis, which often seems to get lost in the language >and never get to the political transformative questions. Any thoughts >about this? Am I creating an unnecessary dilemma? > > >Elizabeth Bounds >Religious Studies Program >Virginia Tech >Blacksburg, VA 24061-0135 >Phone: 703-231-7617 Fax: 703-231-6367 >E-Mail: Elizabeth.Bounds@vt.edu > > From eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu Mon Mar 13 07:15:05 MST 1995 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 06:15:13 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Bouse To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: A New Topic--Ideology vs. Discourse In-Reply-To: <12MAR95.16940506.0166.MUSIC@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> I have enjoyed the discussion about the usefulness of discourse theory, and I am sympathetic to recent arguments about why materialist feminism is more useful generally. However, I was struck with Stacey Johnson's recent message asking what discourse theory can tell us about the past. I think that what discourse theory can do is prevent us from assuming that textual sources about the past (like manuals and advice columns in magazines) provide some sort of transparent window into the past. Rather, discourse analysis reminds us that these sources are TEXTUAL sources, and, as such, permeated by the problems of language, ideology, etc. I'm sympathetic to suspicion about discourse theory and its tendency to forget the lives of women, but I do think it can act as a useful corrective, preventing us from forgetting or overlooking the problems of language and ideology inherent in any representation. Susan Bouse UC, Irvine eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu From jbarison@students.wisc.edu Mon Mar 13 07:46:58 MST 1995 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 08:50:19 -0600 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: jbarison@students.wisc.edu (jeannette barisonzi) Subject: expressing mat fem The discussions lately have been really exciting! I'm glad that folks are willing to let definitions merge into one another. Even though I identify as a socialist feminist I quite often find common ground with radical feminists. I was intrigued with Bonnie Anderson's comments about how historically some radical feminists also were socialists. I am a student of history examining late nineteenth and early twentieth century radical feminists in the US and focusing on women who put the materialist struggle before feminism in the face of conflict between the two (for example, Lucy Parsons, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, Mother Jones). In fact it is probably not appropriate to call these activists feminists even though they would fit today's definition. In my work I have chosen to reject the either/or dilemma of trying to figure out if these women were feminists or not. Instead I am focusing my attention on the structural limitations these women faced within their movement work, and how these restrictions affected the womens' ability to express feminist concerns. I would be interested in knowing how others feel about this approach. Does it just skirt the definition issue? And how central should these definitions be? Sorry to throw out questions, of course they don't need to be answered directly. Jeannette Barisonzi From CZSJ@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Mon Mar 13 10:09:03 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 13 Mar 1995 10:05:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 12:08:06 -0500 (EST) From: johnson Subject: Re[2]: A New Topic--Ideology vs. Discourse In-reply-to: In reply to your message of MON 13 MAR 1995 09:16:58 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu in response to susan bouse's note....i'm not disputing what discourse theory can tell us about the past for i think it can tell us a lot. my only thing is that, and i think i should specify this in terms of my work in looking at the everyday use of 8mm cameras and in my methodological queeries at present, discourse can tell us a lot about relations in the past, how events, people, communities, histories, etc get "constructe" socially. in looking at popular magazine discourse my question is that does this kind of instruction tell us about how people actually used cameras or does it tell us more about larger social strategies...i.e. the placement and role of the nuclear family as it was discoursed about in the 50s.in this respect i do not want to dispute discourse analysis for i think it is very important for feminist analyses, but i want to add that it is also important not to stop there and that we don't get caught in a kind of discursive determinism. susan...do you want to email me (czsj@musica.mcgill.ca) and we could get into this if interested....these are right now some questions i'm posing myself in doing some methodological sleuthing.... stacey johnson, mcgill u >I have enjoyed the discussion about the usefulness of discourse theory, >and I am sympathetic to recent arguments about why materialist feminism >is more useful generally. However, I was struck with Stacey Johnson's >recent message asking what discourse theory can tell us about the past. >I think that what discourse theory can do is prevent us from assuming >that textual sources about the past (like manuals and advice columns in >magazines) provide some sort of transparent window into the past. >Rather, discourse analysis reminds us that these sources are TEXTUAL >sources, and, as such, permeated by the problems of language, ideology, >etc. I'm sympathetic to suspicion about discourse theory and its >tendency to forget the lives of women, but I do think it can act as a >useful corrective, preventing us from forgetting or overlooking the >problems of language and ideology inherent in any representation. >Susan Bouse >UC, Irvine >eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu From bcragin@emory.edu Mon Mar 13 10:33:47 MST 1995 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 12:32:52 -0500 (EST) From: Becca Cragin To: TFISHER@tulsajc.tulsa.cc.ok.us Subject: Tabor's confessions In-Reply-To: <19950310.170943.TFISHER@TULSAJC> Since I started the postings that responded to Tabor's original posting, I, too, feel obligated to respond. I just wanted to say that I was not trying to attack Tabor at all, I just wanted to respond to what I have experienced as a very common assumption in Women's Studies, about the academic and activist work that came before. As Tabor so bravely confessed, I think a lot of those tidy narratives become ways of assessing (or dismissing) work that might have more to offer us than we had assumed... I have been thinking about this issue a lot because I have been working for two years on a critique of historical accounts of 70s lesbian/feminism, such as Alice Echols' _Daring to Be Bad_ and Lillian Faderman's _Odd Girls and Twilight Lovers_. I think these texts raise serious questions about how we tell history, even "our" history, even from just ten or fifteen years ago, and the role simplifying narratives play in that. In fact, I wanted to submit a proposal for this year's NWSA conference called "What I Learned In Women's Studies", which would have been an analysis of my personal experience as a student in INtroductory Women's Studies classes, and how these narratives are used as ways of structuring the course. _But_ I chickened out, because I felt like, "Damn, I'm 25. How can I go to a conference and sit there and tell these women, 80% of whom were _there_ and lived the experiences I've only read about that what they say happened might not be exactly what happened? So I guess that's my loss. Anyway, thanks to Tabor for her/his honesty and as we say in Maine -- Moxie --!!! 'Becca Cragin bcragin@emory.edu From bcragin@emory.edu Mon Mar 13 11:18:11 MST 1995 Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 13:15:10 -0500 (EST) From: Becca Cragin To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Ideology/Discourse Hey all, I just wanted to say I have also, in addition to my two-year obsession with lesbian/feminist history, been obsessed with these same questions that have been raised about discourse analysis. (My, how pertinent this list has been for me!) My other blob of reserach is on lesbian representation on talk shows, and like Susan Bourse (in her recent posting) I really enjoy doing very tight readings of texts, and I don't feel that's abstract in the sense of not looking at the real world, because I am examining how ideology is present in the format and content of the shows, but I do feel it's abstract in the sense that it doesn't describe any other meaning to the text than the one I give it. That is, the meaning of the symbols isn't sitting there, it's produced through the readers' interaction with the text, so I am trying to figure out some way to structure my dissertation research that will allow for reader response at the same time that I do close readings of my own. But there does seem to be some contradiction in this...How to integrate the two? Hmmm... 'Becca Cragin bcragin@emory.edu From fsral@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 13 16:19:03 MST 1995 From: Miss L Chua Subject: PRIVACY AND THE INTERNET: THE NEWEST THREAT (fwd) To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 23:19:07 +0000 (GMT) > Please read the body of the text below and respond if you can. > > Ling > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:21:03 -0800 (PST) > From: Jennifer Gilden > Subject: Public service announcement du jour... (fwd) > > > [forwards censored] > > >>>>>>Hello everyone... > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I know it been a while since I've been seen on the net, but I've > >>>>>>been a little bit busy. However, a matter has come to my > >>>>>>attention that is of the utmost importance to all of us online. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Simply put, a couple of senators have proposed a particularly > >>>>>>heinous piece of legislation titled the "Communications > >>>>>>Decency Act of 1995" (Senate Bill S. 314). Basically, the > >>>>>>bill would subject all forms of electronic communication -- > >>>>>>from public Internet postings to your most private email -- > >>>>>>to government censorship. The effects of the bill onto the > >>>>>>online industry would be devastating -- most colleges and > >>>>>>private companies (AOL, Compuserve, etc.) would probably have > >>>>>>to shut down or greatly restrict access, since they would be > >>>>>>held criminally liable for the postings and email of private > >>>>>>users. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Obviously, this bill is designed to win votes for these senators > >>>>>>among those who are fearful of the internet and aren't big > >>>>>>fans of freedom of speech -- ie., those who are always trying to > >>>>>>censor "pornography" and dirty books and such. Given the > >>>>>>political climate in this country, this bill might just pass > >>>>>>unless the computer community demonstrates its strength as a > >>>>>>committed political force to be reckoned with. This, my friends, > >>>>>>is why I have filled your mailbox with this very long message. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>A petition, to be sent to Congress, the President, and the media, > >>>>>>has begun spreading through the Internet. It's easy to participate > >>>>>>and be heard -- to sign it, you simply follow the instructions > >>>>>>below -- which boil down to sending a quick email message to a > >>>>>>certain address. That's all it takes to let your voice be heard. > >>>>>>(You know, if the Internet makes democracy this accessible to the > >>>>>>average citizen, is it any wonder Congress wants to censor it?) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Finally, PLEASE forward this message to all your friends online. > >>>>>>The more people sign the petition, the more the government will > >>>>>>get the message to back off the online community. We've been doing > >>>>>>fine without censorship until now -- let's show them we don't plan on > >>>>>>allowing them to start now. If you value your freedoms -- from > >>>>>>your right to publicly post a message on a worldwide forum to your > >>>>>>right to receive private email without the government censoring it -- > >>>>>>you need to take action NOW. It'll take fifteen minutes at the most, > >>>>>>a small sacrifice considering the issues at hand. Remember, the age > >>>>>>of fighting for liberty with muskets and shells is most likely over; > >>>>>>the time has come where the keyboard and the phone line will prove > >>>>>>mightier than the sword -- or the Senate, in this case. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Yours in liberty, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -don > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Here's what you have to do to sign the petition: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> send an e-mail message to: S314-petition@netcom.com > >>>>>>> the message (NOT the subject heading) should read as follows: > >>>>>>> SIGNED > >>>>>>> eg. SIGNED lsewell@leland.Stanford.EDU Laura Sewell YES > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you are interested in signing the petition, I would highly suggest > >>>>>>> investigating the details of the situation. You can find out more on > >>>>>>> the Web at http://www.wookie.net/~slowdog or in the newsgroup > >>>>>>> comp.org.eff.talk > >>>>>>> > > > >------------ Forwarded Message ends here ------------ > > > > > From lenar@tenet.edu Tue Mar 14 00:22:25 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 01:22:34 -0600 (CST) From: Lena Rotenberg Subject: Re: PRIVACY AND THE INTERNET: THE NEWEST THREAT (fwd) To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: <29042.199503132319@lily.csv.warwick.ac.uk> Ling and others who might be interested, the newest news (!) I have about this is included below. lena rotenberg lenar@tenet.edu --- Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 11:06:07 EST From: Don Phillips Reply to: Women In Science and Engineering NETwork Subject: NO SUBJECT I understand the enclosed note is a the supposed legislation. I do not think we have anything to worry about. Sincerely, Don Phillips USNATWDM@IBMMAIL.COM *** Forwarding note from I1296290--IBMMAIL 03/09/95 19:12 *** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:13:02 -0500 (EST) From: Don Phillips Subject: S-314,Commun. Decency Act of '95 (fwd) To: Don Phillips Sincerely, Don Phillips DONPHIL@FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 18:51:29 -0500 From: "Liesel F. Deutsch" Subject: S-314,Commun. Decency Act of '95 Below "Abstract & Digest" for S.314. "(from Congressional Research Service, Library of Congress)" I asked & received this abstract from the office of my Senator, A. D'Amato. I went over the abstract with a retired judge who lives in my building, and since we had several more questions, I recontacted D'Amato's office, & they'll answer them, hopefully, within a few days, when I'll pass them on to you. S. 314 'Amends the Communications Act of 1934", and since we were wondering, among other things, whether the original act stipulated that the definition of "obscene, indecent language" was to be arrived nationally or locally, we decided to ask D'Amato's office for the "Legislative Intent", something which is included with every proposed law. I personally am not sure as to what I would consider "obscene &/or indecent", & what censorship. I'm also wondering whether making it a federal offense would stop a pervert. I agree with making it a federal offense when someone is "annoying, abusing, threatening, or harassing" people. Please take a good look at (Sec.4), # (1) Do you consider that censorship? (Sec.4), # (2) It is not clear to us what's meant by this sentence, especially by "prohibited against". Is the law for or against "interception and disclosure of various forms of communication". (Sec.6), concerns the internet Here's the whole abstact: "Communications Decency Act of 1995 - Amends the Communications Act of 1934 to prohibit the use of any telecommunications device (currently, only the telephone) by a person not disclosing their identity in order to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person who receives such communication. Prohibits the repeated use of a telcommunications device solely for harassment purposes. Prohibits a person from allowing the use of any telecommunications facitlty (Currently, telelphone facility) in his or her control for such purposes. Increase (1) the fine and maximum sentence for such violations; and (2) the fine for the transmission over a cable system of obscene or otherwise unprotected material. "(Sec.4) Amends the Federal criminal code to: (1) increase the fine for broadcasting obscene, indecent, or profane language over the radio; and (2) include digital communications in a prohibition against the interception and disclosure of various forms of communications. "(Sec.6) Prohibits a person making a toll-free telphone call from being assessed a charge for the call by being asked to connect or otherwise transfer to a pay-per-call service. "(Sec.7) Requires a cable operator, in providing video programming unsuitable for children to any subscriber through a cable system, to fully scramble or otherwise block the video and audio portion of each channel carrying such programming to ensure that one not a subscriber to such programming does not receive it. "(Sec.8) Allows a cable operator to refuse to transmit any portion of a public access program or leased access program which contains obscenity, indecency, or nudity." _________________________________________________________ When I get the rest, I'll post it. I thought that you'd all like to see this, in the meantime. Liesel F.Deutsch ---- End of mail text from the original item follow: .10/4.940426) 19:13:11 -0500 From jbarison@students.wisc.edu Tue Mar 14 08:39:51 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 09:39:39 -0600 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: jbarison@students.wisc.edu (jeannette barisonzi) Subject: Re: Tabor's confessions I am a 21 year old history student at University of Wisconsin-Madison and I am doing a conference session at our state wide Women's Studies Conference in October about age discrimination among women activists. I am working on this project with my mother who is a long term activist and we are interviewing 15 women and examining the stereotypes they have about women of different ages. One of the main stereotypes we are dealing with is the one you mentioned on the MATFEM list about how you didn't live through these movements and therefore have nothing to say about them. WE hope to discover ways to overcome these stereotypes so women of different ages can find common ground working together in activist settings. Of course there are a lot of complicating factors like sexual orientation (I hate that term but I couldn't come up with anything else real quick), race, and gender (if they are working in groups with men), and of course class, but not many women have investigated age as a divisive factor. Also, I was excited about what you said about your critique of Echols and Faderman. I would be interested in knowing more specific points of contention. I recently did a paper on the women's liberation movement and the role that the SWP (Socialist Workers Party) played in the movement. Echols was very useful for my paper in providing a narrative account of actual events within the movement. Of course, since I have sent my draft to activists who were at these different meetings they strongly dispute Echols take on what happened. But I'm not so sure she's WRONG, just limited in her perspective. Unfortunately, there haven't been a lot of historical accounts of the women's liberation movement, Echols seems to be the best we have so far. But LInda Gordon who works here at Madison is trying to put together a collection with Meredith Tax (I don't know if these names mean anything to you). HOpefully there will be some analysis of events. good luck in your work! Jeannette Barisonzi From rleidner@sas.upenn.edu Tue Mar 14 12:16:25 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:16:09 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: rleidner@sas.upenn.edu (Robin Leidner) Subject: resource Those of you talking and thinking about assessments of the women's movement in the seventies and about the activism of women who didn't or don't define themselves as feminists will find much of interest in a brand-new book (based on a terrific working conference held in 1992) called _Feminist Organizations: Harvest of the New Women's Movement_. It's edited by Myra Marx Ferree and Patricia Yancey Martin, and has just been published by Temple University Press. Robin Leidner rleidner@sas.upenn.edu From benita@umich.edu Tue Mar 14 13:47:50 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 15:47:51 -0500 (EST) From: Benita Sibia Jackson To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: reason and emotion I'm looking for references, both theoretical and empirical, on feminist revisions of the traditional dualisms of reason/emotion, mind/body, etc. I'm esp. interested in work in psychology/cognitive science/philosophy, but any leads having to do with how emotion has been made a valid source of knowledge in feminist epistemologies (and others!) would be great. Please reply to me directly. Thanks very much! --Benita Jackson University of Michigan Personality Psychology and Women's Studies From Leejane@aol.com Tue Mar 14 21:42:59 MST 1995 From: Leejane@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 23:43:10 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: A New Topic--Ideology vs. Discourse susan and stacy- i'd be interested in having you continue your conversation on discourse analysis and discursive determinism on the list, if you'd be willing. i think it's a nice pertinent instance of matfem issues in action. i like how you are keeping the specific instance ("home" movies) in view while talking about the big abstractions. thanks, lee From Leejane@aol.com Tue Mar 14 21:43:10 MST 1995 From: Leejane@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 23:43:21 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Tabor's confessions dear becca- your post piqued my interest. what would you have said you learned from women's studies? i think this is a fascinating topic, and important for the way we create mutate transmit culture. lee From jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Wed Mar 15 00:09:35 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 02:08:57 EST From: JUDITH LORBER To: SWS-LIST@NCSU.EDU, SOCPOL-L@VMD.CSO.UIUC.EDU, MATFEM@CSF.COLORADO.EDU, FISKE@UNBC.EDU PHIPSM@VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU, F42164@BARILAN.BITNET, MCANTOR@AMERICAN.EDU, GYOUNG@AMERICAN.EDU, SHG226F@VMA.SMSU.EDU, GAIANGU@MAINE.MAINE.EDU, jl34@cornell.edu, MKIMMEL@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU, JDMANDLE@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU, DVURA@FULLERTON.EDU, DSCULLY@CABELL.VCU.EDU, DKAUFMAN@NEU.EDU, ECHOW@AMERICAN.EDU Subject: RIGHT TO SUSTAINABLE SOCIETIES >(moderator BEIJING95-L comment: the following was originally posted by >millard clements to PNEWS. Thanks!) /* ---------- "Right to Sustainable Societies" ---------- */ From: millard clements DECLARATION ON THE RIGHT TO SUSTAINABLE SOCIETIES Copenhagen, March 10, 1995 ASSESSMENT OF NEGOTIATIONS Compared to the version of the documents in November, following PrepCom II and the Intercessional meetings, the current version of the Declaration and Programme of Action contain a noticeable increase in language formally acknowledging the importance of environment and sustainability as part of the process of social development. Although these gains do not include an official Commitment in the Declaration defining environmental sustainability as a primary dimension of social development, we appreciate the expansion of references to Agenda 21 throughout the new text. In addition to the greater attention given to human rights, especially of women, and of the acknowledgement that structural adjustment is a problem, we are relieved to see recognition given to the need for countries, especially those in the industrialized North, to overcome unsustainable patterns of consumption and production. We applaud those delegates with the wisdom and determination to promote greater affirmation and commitment to incorporating social and environmental sustainability and the more progressive values of Agenda 21 into the social development process. A CONFLICT OF WORLDVIEWS However, we are greatly concerned with the underlying conflict of assumptions and worldviews which ultimately undermine efforts to build and sustain societies that are just, able to adequately provide for the needs of all their members, in balance with the carrying capacity of the environment. This conflict is embodied in the dominant, paired principles of SUSTAINED ECONOMIC GROWTH and SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT. Whereas neither of these two major concepts are clearly defined within the documents, there is clearly a delicate dance around the contradictions which they foster. For example, we find wide enthusiasm and determination for increasing the overall flow of commodities and investments by implementing the Uruguay Round, yet there is virtually no support among the wealthy countries for implementing the agreements made at Rio. And while the U.S. and most industrialized countries stand firm on "no new transfer of resources," we note the efforts to protect and bolster the huge budgets subsidizing the defense industry and arms trade. Furthermore, while the wealthy nations back away from proposals for debt cancellation or to increase overseas development assistance to eradicate poverty, the environmental debt from industrial pollution and the addiction to fossil fuels and nonrenewable resources relentlessly mounts. We also are disappointed to see that, despite delegates' acknowledgement of significant failures by the Bretton Woods institutions--due to their dedication to the sustained growth model--there is strong resistance against radically reorienting Structural Adjustment Programmes towards strengthening the productive activities of the poor, increasing local self-reliance, and promoting social and economic justice. Structural Adjustment Programmes, imposed by the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, have not only caused impoverishment and social despair in the less industrialized world, they have also accelerated or initiated serious environmental destruction and short-term quick-profit activities deteriorating the conditions for sustainable development. Institutions such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund must not simply be monitored as to their negative impacts, with safety nets provided for those people and communities damaged; these institutions must be restructured and made accountable to the people and communities involved. Policies must be guided by principles of social and ecological sustainability. In general, we find that all the commitments made in the Declaration and Programme of Action to small enterprises and communities, to sustainable production and consumption, to worker rights and sustainable livelihoods, to environmental protection and the promotion of lives in harmony with the environment, are ultimately undermined by the almost religious faith and devotion to the doctrine of "sustained economic growth" permeating the documents. The conflict between the values of unqualified "sustained growth" and a "sustainability" which recognizes the limits to growth, was not resolved by Agenda 21 and remains one of the most important challenges to those sincerely committed to achieving the Summit goals of eradicating poverty, unemployment, and social disintegration, as well as the goals of previous UN conferences. SILENCES OF THE SUMMIT Ambassador Somavia, in response to the low priority and minimal attention initially given by the media and various government officials, described the World Summit on Social Development as the "silent summit." However, for many NGOs who seriously and actively embrace the goals of the Summit, the most serious weaknesses of the Summit are in its own silences--those problems and issues not to be discussed. Members of the Environment Caucus are concerned with specific silences in the Declaration and Programme of Action regarding a number of critical issues of globalization and unqualified "growth" sidestepped throughout the long discussions about social needs and action strategies within the context of globalization. For example: * Despite all the debate on job creation opportunities and innovations, there is little discussion of the trend of corporate downsizing, increasing corporate profits while deepening the pool of the unemployed, instead of passing on the gains from technological productivity to workers and their communities. Technology should serve not undermine people's livelihoods. Thus, public and private investments should be encouraged in sustainable technologies that create jobs and livelihoods which serve people and their communities, throughout all sectors of agriculture, manufacturing, and service. * Another trend contributing to unemployment is GOVERNMENT DOWNSIZING, reducing labour-intensive social services, while at the same time cutting taxes from corporations as an incentive to invest in productivity improvements, which in turn ironically leads to corporate downsizing. * Another uncomfortable trend is the concentration of productive wealth and property into the hands of fewer and fewer people, with more and more power wielded by corporations and the gap between rich and poor relentlessly widening. * While the need for reducing overconsumption in the industrialized countries is acknowledged, the trend towards eliminating barriers to increased trade and transportation of commodities (rather than putting the emphasis on local production to meet local needs) ultimately undermines any technological gains made in production and waste efficiencies. DOMINATING ASSUMPTIONS The dominating assumption of the Declaration and Programme of Action is that poverty and social insecurity will be solved by economic growth, leading to productive employment, financial possibilities for social security and prosperity for all. This assumption neglects the fact that there are limitations to economic growth, limits to the resources that can be extracted and to the amount of wastes that can be dumped. These natural limitations are treated as a myth by the ideology of growth, replacing this with the myth of the limitless power of technology to solve all problems. The responsible recognition that such limits exist must then lead to recognition of a limited environmental space available for every country wherein to develop its economy, based on the size of its population and the principle that each citizen of the planet has a right to an equitable environmental space. This assumption that unqualified growth will ultimately solve the problems of poverty and unemployment avoids the ultimate question of the redistribution of resources and to the share of resources which each person is entitled in order to provide an adequate livelihood. Rather than focus on truly innovative local, national and international strategies for reconsidering the industrial era assumptions and structures dominating the current systems of production, distribution, consumption, ownership and investment, these difficult questions are put aside, as are the deeper implications of the concept of sustainable livelihoods, as faith is reaffirmed in the power of sustained economic growth to create more jobs (ignoring the corporate trend to eliminate jobs), with the emphasis on more training and education (for jobs that will ultimately not be created). The solution to these problems cannot be found in a simplistic belief in "sustained growth" and the invisible hand of the market. Rather, viable solutions require a willingness and creative openness to go beyond the old assumptions and methods, towards a deeper exploration and appreciation of * nonconventional conceptions and measures of human wealth (beyond GNP) and quality of life; * the concept and implications of sustainable livelihoods; * movement beyond simply greater public participation but towards a wider distribution of ownership and control of productive property and resources; * policies and programs in industrialized countries to pursue more self-reliant sustainable development strategies, increasing local capabilities for sustainable production, distribution, and consumption system, and stewardship of local natural resources; * investment in and management of local trading and bartering system; * institutional reform of the WTO to allow for a more effective integration of development and environment concerns into trade rules, including an explicit recognition of the failure of market prices to reflect environmental costs, and of the primacy of poverty reduction and environmental sustainability over free trade; * institutional accounting and investment systems including and integrating social and environmental values and costs with conventional financial categories; * creation of an international, independent body and accountability mechanisms for transnational corporations, to monitor, evaluate, and effectively regulate their behaviour and impacts on individual nations and communities and the environment; * the notion of sustainable communities as the foundation of sustainable societies; * a broader understanding of "economics," moving towards a sustainable community-based economics appreciating the interrelationships among the market economy with that of the social economy and natural economy; and * a developing understanding, appreciation, and institutionalization of people's right to sustainable societies. What is needed is a carefully reconstructed social vision based on principles of environmental and community sustainability, social justice, and public participation which allows communities and societies to meet their physical, social, economic, political, and cultural needs in a way that improves their security and quality of life while maintaining and protecting the natural wealth and carrying capacity of the ecosystems upon which their survival and prosperity depend. This model and vision require a deep strategic consideration of not only the wider possibilities and implications of evolving technologies, but also the sharp realities of increasing population, pollution, and natural resource depletion, and the continually widening economic inequality and deepening concentrations of wealth and power. THE RIGHT TO SUSTAINABLE SOCIETIES As active members of civil society, the participation of which this Social Summit has claimed to be a high priority, we NGOs of the Environment Caucus and NGOs supporting these points assert that in addition to the various political, social, cultural, and economic rights identified and promoted in the Declaration and Programme of Action, we now affirm and urge promotion of the right of all peoples to sustainable societies. This right implies social, economic, cultural, and political development which fully entitles all people with specific and enduring rights to: * a sustainable livelihood; * living in and as part of a sustainable community, * which is maintained by an economy operating according to principles of sustainable production and consumption, and * which is also guided by principles of social, political, cultural, economic and environmental justice for all members of the community and society at large, including both current and future generations. The Right to Sustainable Societies is based on an understanding that the production, consumption, and distribution of products and services which occurs within and among the local communities which make up countries and nations implies: * that the wealth and resources of the natural economy are part of a larger natural community, of which the human community is only a part; * that the right to draw upon the wealth and resources of the natural economy is held by the local residents, a right which is balanced by an equal responsibility to act as caretakers of that natural wealth; * that the rights and responsibilities of communities and societies regarding their natural wealth and resources are based on principles of intergenerational equity, fully respecting the needs of all members of the community and society, including those of future generation. This Right to Sustainable Societies is held by all people, in all countries throughout the world, in the South and North, by women and men, by children and the old, of all races and religious beliefs, in industrialized societies, in agricultural societies, as well as by migrants, the descendants of immigrants, and indigenous peoples. NGO Environment Caucus for the World Summit on Social Development Emad Adly, General Secretary Arab Office for Youth & Environment (AOYE) EGYPT Jeffrey Barber Integrative Strategies Forum at Co-op America USA Taufik Ben Abdullah ENDA-Tiers Monde SENEGAL Magnus Eriksson Freunde der Erde SWEDEN D. Gnanapragasam Legal Resources for Social Action (CRSA) INDIA Michael Kosz Freunde der Erde AUSTRIA Sae Kubo People's Forum 2001 JAPAN Isagani R. Serrano, Vice President Philippine Rural Reconstruction Movement (PRRM) PHILIPPINES Koroseta I. To'o, Director Siosiomaga Society Inc. WESTERN SAMOA Gopi Upreti, Executive Director National Academy for Environmental Conservation & Afforestation ARUN Concerned Group (ACG) NEPAL Alejandro Villamar Red Mexicana de Accion frente al Libre Comercio (RMALC) MEXICO @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ***** PEOPLE BEFORE PROFITS ****** @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ PNEWS CONFERENCES provide "radical" alternative views with an emphasis on justice, humanitarian positions, protests, boycott alerts, activism information, etc. **************** To subscribe, send request to: @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From psu02880@odin.cc.pdx.edu Wed Mar 15 00:38:36 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 23:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: Katheen Drew To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Home Movies I've been thinking about the limits of textual analysis- limits because it is esssentially a partial account from a single perspective. I think Stacy mentioned this when she discussed her home movie project. When Stacey questioned her methodology I thought about the possibilities of ethnographic work with families that have films from that era. Some are having the old super 8 transferred to video. I thought of Jacqueline Bobo's work with Black women audiences. She was puzzled by the favorable response of Black women viewers to the Color Purple that had been indicted by Black male reviewers. Utillizing the cultural competency perspective articulated by Dell Hymes, she interviewed Black women to investigate the ways they constructed meaning from the movie. The essay, The Color Purple, Black Women as Cultural Readers, appears in Female Spectators: Looking at Film and Television edited by E.Deidre Pribram 1988,London: Verso Press, pp 90-91. She also builds her argument on the notion of "interdiscourse"- the moment of the encounter of the text and the subject when subjects bring their histories to bear on meaning production in a text. Kathy From MSAWICKI%IRISHVMA.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU Wed Mar 15 06:26:12 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 15 Mar 1995 06:22:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 08:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: Marianne Sawicki Subject: Re: reason and emotion In-reply-to: Message of Tue, 14 Mar 1995 13:50:46 -0700 from To: matfem@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Benita Jackson asks for resources on feminism, reason, and emotion. See Phyllis Rooney's article "Recent Work in Feminist Discussions of Reason," _American Philosophical Quarterly_ 31 (1994) 1-21. Has a very fine bibliography. See also the last issue of _The Monist_ (fall 1994, I believe) devoted to feminist epistemology. Marianne Sawicki University of Kentucky and University of Notre Dame From tsmeisen@wiley.csusb.edu Wed Mar 15 11:56:30 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 12:10:54 -0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: tsmeisen@wiley.csusb.edu (Thomas Meisenhelder) Subject: Re: reason and emotion > >I'm looking for references, both theoretical and empirical, on feminist >revisions of the traditional dualisms of reason/emotion, mind/body, etc. I'm >esp. interested in work in psychology/cognitive science/philosophy, but >any leads having to do with how emotion has been made a valid source of >knowledge in feminist epistemologies (and others!) would be great. Please >reply to me directly. Thanks very much! > >--Benita Jackson > University of Michigan > Personality Psychology and Women's Studies > > I can immodestly admit to having published in this area: a chapter on Habermas in Ruth Wallace (ed.), Feminism and Sociological Theory, an article on hope in Human Studies (June-Sept., 1982), and another chapter in Miller and Hollstein (eds.), Perspectives on Social Problems (1992). Hope some of it is useful. Tom> From jnewman@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu Wed Mar 15 12:24:44 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Jane O. Newman" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Home Movies In-Reply-To: Great reference to the article on female spectatorship of The Color Purple! Many thanks. This article could help further the discussion about material vs. discursive "determinism" and how they may in fact be conceived of as collaborating to produce both meaning and subjects. Re this point: see Elspeth Probyn, Sexing the Self. Gendered Positions in Cultural Studies (Routledge, 1993), esp. chapter 1. This is my favorite ref. of the year with respect to this debate. Jane O. Newman, English/Comp. Lit. and Women's Studies, UC Irvine From CZSJ@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Thu Mar 16 06:48:17 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 16 Mar 1995 06:44:51 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: johnson Subject: Re: reason and emotion In-reply-to: In reply to your message of TUE 14 MAR 1995 15:50:23 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Benita, feminist critics of science have explored this territory of which there are quite a few texts to refer to. Off the top of my head try Sandra Harding THE SCIENCE QUESTION IN FEMINISM, and edited books by her FEMINISM AND METHODOLOGY, SEX AND SCIENTIFIC INQUIRY, and THE RACIAL ECONONOMY OF SCIENCE, Susan Bordo's FLIGHT TO OBJECTIVITY, Anne Fausto Sterling's MYTHS OF GENDER: BIOLOGICAL THEORIES ABOUT WOMEN AND MEN, Evelyn Fox Keller's SECRETS OF LIFE AND SECRETS OF DEATH: ESSAYS ON LANGUAGE, GENDER AND SCIENCE, Donna Haraway's collection of essays in SIMIANS CYBORGS AND WOMEN (in particular "Situated Knowledges") Seyla Benhabib and Drucilla Cornell eds. FEMINISM AS CRITIQUE: ON THE POLITICS OF GENDER....these references will also lead you to many more.... stacey johnson mcgill u > >I'm looking for references, both theoretical and empirical, on feminist >revisions of the traditional dualisms of reason/emotion, mind/body, etc. I'm >esp. interested in work in psychology/cognitive science/philosophy, but >any leads having to do with how emotion has been made a valid source of >knowledge in feminist epistemologies (and others!) would be great. Please >reply to me directly. Thanks very much! > >--Benita Jackson > University of Michigan > Personality Psychology and Women's Studies > From CZSJ@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Thu Mar 16 07:13:20 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 16 Mar 1995 07:10:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:55:45 -0500 (EST) From: johnson Subject: Re[4]: A New Topic--Ideology vs. Discourse In-reply-to: In reply to your message of TUE 14 MAR 1995 23:44:37 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu i have no problems going back on line with the discussion...just didn't want to take up to much online space with such a particular conversation...but seems like there are a few interested. back by popular demand? susan, if it's okaywith yyou let's go back on line...collecting my thoughts and of a conference this weekend so will be in touch next week. and lee thanks for your interest. stacey johnson mcgill U >susan and stacy- i'd be interested in having you continue your conversation >on discourse analysis and discursive determinism on the list, if you'd be >willing. i think it's a nice pertinent instance of matfem issues in action. > i like how you are keeping the specific instance ("home" movies) in view >while talking about the big abstractions. > >thanks, > >lee From Domna.C.Stanton@um.cc.umich.edu Thu Mar 16 07:20:31 MST 1995 From: Domna.C.Stanton@um.cc.umich.edu Date: Thu, 16 Mar 95 09:18:38 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: reason and emotion helen longino works on the same issues;she has a piece forthcoming in a volume entitle FEMINISMS IN THE ACADEMY which I am editing with abby stewart...it should be out by the fall. From eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu Thu Mar 16 08:33:48 MST 1995 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 07:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Bouse To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Re[4]: A New Topic--Ideology vs. Discourse In-Reply-To: <16MAR95.09643791.0072.MUSIC@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> I'm actually flattered that there's so much interest in this thread, so I'd love to get others involved. I'm swamped since it's the end of the quarter, but I asked Stacey to provide a bit more detail about the project she was working on -- I think linking this discussion to a specific thread of work is helpful, and I find her project really interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing what people have to say! Susan Bouse UC, Irvine eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, johnson wrote: > i have no problems going back on line with the discussion...just > didn't want to take up to much online space with such a particular > conversation...but seems like there are a few interested. back > by popular demand? susan, if it's okaywith yyou let's go back > on line...collecting my thoughts and of a conference this weekend > so will be in touch next week. and lee thanks for your interest. > > stacey johnson > mcgill U > > >susan and stacy- i'd be interested in having you continue your conversation > >on discourse analysis and discursive determinism on the list, if you'd be > >willing. i think it's a nice pertinent instance of matfem issues in action. > > i like how you are keeping the specific instance ("home" movies) in view > >while talking about the big abstractions. > > > >thanks, > > > >lee > From CYSU@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Thu Mar 16 15:40:49 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 16 Mar 1995 15:37:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 17:39:47 -0500 (EST) From: Rebecca Subject: reason vs. emotion To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Hi ho, A couple other references on the Reason/Emotion thread. 1. Women and Reason. ed. by Elizabeth D. Harvey and Kathleen Okruhlik (1992) for Habermasian-type analysis. 2. On the emotion side there's Alison Jagger's article "Love and Knowledge: Emotion in Feminist Epistemology" in Gender/ Body/Knowledge. Susan Bordo wrote an article entitled "The Cartesian Masculinity of Thought" in Signs, v.11,#3 Spr 1986. For a theological/historical edge, there's also Barbara Newman's "Sister of Wisdom: St. Hildegard's Theology of the Feminine" Hope this helps! Rebecca Sullivan I don't really fight social injustice when bellbottoms and chokers are involved. A gal's judged by the company she keeps Very Vicky From David_Austin@ncsu.edu Fri Mar 17 08:59:58 MST 1995 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:00:11 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: David_Austin@ncsu.edu (David F. Austin) Subject: Re: reason and emotion >>I'm looking for references, both theoretical and empirical, on feminist >>revisions of the traditional dualisms of reason/emotion, mind/body, etc. I'd also recommend: _A Mind of one's own : feminist essays on reason and objectivity_ edited by Louise M. Antony and Charlotte Witt. (Boulder : Westview Press, c1993). xvii, 302 p. ; 24 cm. SERIES: Feminist theory and politics David. David F. Austin Associate Professor of Philosophy and Assistant Head Department of Philosophy and Religion Winston Hall 101A Box 8103, NCSU Raleigh, NC 27695-8103 (919) 515-6102 FAX (919) 515-7856 From fiatlux@umich.edu Fri Mar 17 10:08:14 MST 1995 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:08:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Vera M. Britto" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: reason vs. emotion In-Reply-To: <16MAR95.19076309.0061.MUSIC@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> Continuing on the thread, for references to people who question reason v. emotion not only in theory but in praxis, i would suggest Gloria Anzaldua's works and Audrey Lorde's. Vera Britto (fiatlux@umich.edu) ............................................................................ "Y no estimo tesoros ni riquezas; y asi, siempre me causa mas contento poner riquezas en mi pensamiento que no mi pensamiento en las riquezas. Y no estimo hermosura que, vencida, es despojo civil de las edades, ni riqueza me agrada fementida, teniendo por mejor, en mis verdades, consumir vanidades de la vida que consumir la vida en vanidades." Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz From poss@utdallas.edu Sun Mar 19 20:59:44 MST 1995 From: poss@utdallas.edu Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 22:00:00 -0600 (CST) To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Women's Leadership Network (fwd) This is a forward of a forward. I received it from my women-online list. You may be receiving it from all different quarters. But just in case you don't . . . Also, has anyone successfully retrieved the "oration" that Robin Leidner so graciously offered to us? My system here at UTD has a really rotten browser and I have not been able to even "leave" Dallas. Melinda Poss ========================================================================= >From: PolWoman@aol.com >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 17:36:41 -0500 >Subject: Women's Leadership Network > >Announcement >Please Post Widely >March 16, 1995 >------------------------------------------------------- >Women's Leadership Network in formation -- HELP NEEDED! >------------------------------------------------------- >Background: After Newt Gingrich and the "Radical Republican Right" gained >control of Congress last November, a group of politically active women began >meeting in New York City to discuss the need to use "Third Wave" technology >to fight back. > >After a few meetings, it was agreed that we needed to use the Internet to: >1. educate women about the dreadful agenda of the Republican Right, and >2. mobilize women to oppose that agenda and defeat the Republican Right in >the 1996 elections. > >To accomplish these goals, we agreed to start an organization called the "Wome >n's Leadership Network." > >The Women's Leadership Network has two immediate projects: >1. the creation of a Web page dedicated to the issues before Congress and the >nation from a women's point of view, and >2. the publication of a Daily Hotline to women activists who can receive >e-mail over the Internet. > >We are currently assembling the information we will need for these projects >-- and WE NEED YOUR HELP! > >If you are: >1. a politically-aware woman (or sympathetic man), >2. appalled at the agenda of the far-right Republicans who control Congress, >3. terrified at the thought of these same Republicans gaining control of the >White House, all of the federal agencies, and the Supreme Court, and >4. willing to do something to fight back > >Send us an e-mail with the message "Interested." Tell us something about >yourself, including your name, the issues you care about, and any issue or >political groups you're active in. If you track any particular issues in the >newspapers and on-line and are willing to help us educate women on those >issues by posting relevant (and concise!) information, please tell us that, >too. > >We are tentatively planning to go public on April 11 with a press conference >in New York City. If you send us an e-mail, we'll put you on our distribution >list and send you a membership form. If you return that form to us before >April 8, we will list you as a "Charter Member" in our press materials. > >We look forward to hearing from you! > >Sincerely, > >Deborah Sale, Vice Chair, NYS Council on the Humanities (Chair) >Polly Rothstein, President, Westchester (NY) Coalition for Legal Abortion >(Vice Chair) >Antonia Stolper, Co-Publisher, Political Woman Daily Hotline (President) >Bob Fertik, Co-Publisher, Political Woman Daily Hotline (Treasurer) >Christina Mason (Secretary) >Founding members: Lori Antonacci, Gene Boyer (National Women's Conference >Center), Gale Brewer (National Women's Political Caucus), Debra Cooper, >Barbara Hohlt, Carolyn Kamlet, Shelley Mayer, Jane Moore, Frances Fox Piven (C >ampaign for Media Fairness on Welfare), Elisa Riordan (CWA District 1), >Bobbie Sackman, Elsie Shapiro, Dion Thompson (Students Organizing Students) > >p.s. If you participate in any discussion groups, or have any friends on the >net, please pass this message along. All comments and suggestions welcome! > From rleidner@sas.upenn.edu Mon Mar 20 15:09:14 MST 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:09:12 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: rleidner@sas.upenn.edu (Robin Leidner) Subject: Re: latke/hamentash oration Anyone who, like Melinda Poss, is having trouble getting access to the above oration on the World Wide Web should feel free to write to me directly. I'll be happy to e-mail it to you. (I was reluctant just to send it out to the list as a whole because I know some people find long unsolicited messages a nuisance.) Send a request to: rleidner@sas.upenn.edu Robin Leidner Sociology University of Pennsylvania From FORDEL@CRPL.CEDAR-RAPIDS.LIB.IA.US Mon Mar 20 19:33:50 MST 1995 From: FORDEL@CRPL.CEDAR-RAPIDS.LIB.IA.US Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 20:33:11 -0600 (CST) To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: ambitious? I'm seeing many independent young women working two sometimes three low wage jobs. Has anyone else noticed? Are there studies? Les From sheilac@mail.utexas.edu Mon Mar 20 19:39:57 MST 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 20:31:13 -0600 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: sheilac@mail.utexas.edu (Sheila M. Contreras) Subject: International Women's Day Hi Everyone: Sorry to trouble everybody on the list with this request, and I apologize in advance for the elementary nature of this question, but I'm kind of in a bind. My question is regarding the origins of International Women's Day. I think I'm pretty safe in assuming that its linked to labor organizing by women in New York, but is it specifically related to garment workers? I've heard a few different perspectives, one which places the origins of the commemoration in an 1857 march by women garment workers in New York, or another that says it's in rememberance of the women factory workers who died in the Triangle Shirtwaist Company fire in March 1911. Others relate it more broadly to the women's labor movement in the first decades of the century. I'm sure that the date is meant to commemorate all of these events in some way, but I'm writing an article on a local women's labor organization (Fuerza Unida based in San Antonio, which is calling for a national boycott of Levi Strauss & Company, by the way) and wanted to get my facts straight, particularly on the 1857 march. I haven't been able to locate a clear history and would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks in advance, Sheila Contreras sheilac@mail.utexas.edu From fiatlux@umich.edu Mon Mar 20 19:45:52 MST 1995 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 21:46:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Vera M. Britto" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: International Women's Day have you tried asking the women's history list at h-women@uicvm.cc.uic.edu? Vera Britto (fiatlux@umich.edu) ............................................................................ "Y no estimo tesoros ni riquezas; y asi, siempre me causa mas contento poner riquezas en mi pensamiento que no mi pensamiento en las riquezas. Y no estimo hermosura que, vencida, es despojo civil de las edades, ni riqueza me agrada fementida, teniendo por mejor, en mis verdades, consumir vanidades de la vida que consumir la vida en vanidades." Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz On Mon, 20 Mar 1995, Sheila M. Contreras wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > particularly on the 1857 march. I haven't been able to locate a clear > history and would appreciate any suggestions. > > Thanks in advance, > Sheila Contreras > sheilac@mail.utexas.edu > > > From dhenwood@panix.com Tue Mar 21 10:13:01 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:10:17 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: dhenwood@panix.com (Doug Henwood) Subject: Re: ambitious? At 7:35 PM 3/20/95, FORDEL@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us wrote: >I'm seeing many independent young women working two sometimes three >low wage jobs. Has anyone else noticed? Are there studies? >Les The Bureau of Labor Statistics now collects monthly info on multiple jobholding, along with their other (un)employment data. Table A-35 in the BLS's Employment and Earnings reports on multiple jobholding by demographic group. Highlights from the Feb 1995 issue: percent of employed pop in specified group with more than one job, Jan 1995 men women 16-19 years 3.6% 5.5% 20-24 6.2 7.0 25-54 6.2 6.0 55+ 4.5 3.8 white 6.0 6.0 black 4.8 4.9 Hispanic-origin 3.9 3.5 married 6.1 5.1 widowed/div/sep 5.1 6.7 never married 5.5 6.9 For more info, you can call the BLS Household Survey people at 202-606-6373 Doug -- Doug Henwood [dhenwood@panix.com] Left Business Observer 250 W 85 St New York NY 10024-3217 USA +1-212-874-4020 voice +1-212-874-3137 fax From noreen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Tue Mar 21 10:44:41 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Noreen T. O'Connor" Subject: Re: ambitious? To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: <950320203311.199@CRPL.CEDAR-RAPIDS.LIB.IA.US> Yes I've noticed that many women seem to work multiple jobs. Perhaps it's because, according to the stats, women *still* don't earn equal pay, and still don't get the promotions that men do in the workplace. It's more than just *young* women working multiple jobs, many older women, including my mother, work more than one job in order to support children and households--court ordered child support barely keeps the kids in shoes. I'd be interested in a study, one that debunked the Republican cant about welfare moms and irresponsible mothering--most moms I've known worked hard to keep their families together, without affordable child care, health care, etc. ______________________________ Noreen O'Connor George Washington University Washington, D.C. noreen@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu ______________________________ On Mon, 20 Mar 1995 FORDEL@CRPL.CEDAR-RAPIDS.LIB.IA.US wrote: > I'm seeing many independent young women working two sometimes three > low wage jobs. Has anyone else noticed? Are there studies? > Les > From bsiebert@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Tue Mar 21 11:06:10 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 12:06:27 -0600 (CST) From: "B. Siebert" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: ambitious? In-Reply-To: <950320203311.199@CRPL.CEDAR-RAPIDS.LIB.IA.US> I don't see what is "ambitious" about working at low wage jobs. The young women I know that do this do it to keep a roof over their heads; its strictly a matter of survival. They are not moving ahead financially or living a high comsumption life style. I realize this is anecdotal information - I too am interestested in any studies about this topic. On Mon, 20 Mar 1995 FORDEL@CRPL.CEDAR-RAPIDS.LIB.IA.US wrote: > I'm seeing many independent young women working two sometimes three > low wage jobs. Has anyone else noticed? Are there studies? > Les > From fortier@students.wisc.edu Tue Mar 21 12:35:55 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:32:07 -0600 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: fortier@students.wisc.edu (Jana Fortier) Subject: Re:4th World Conf. on Women/Beijing >Hi Everyone: > >Sorry to put forward this late request. I'm looking for specific info on >logistics of the 4th World Conf. on Women. I know it will be held in Beijing >in the first half of September. I want to send details to colleagues in Nepal >about 1. Exact date? 2. Site of conference? 3. Hotel arrangements? 4. Tentative itinerary of panels, roundtables, etc. 5. Dates of guest speakers? 6. Support/grants for travel for women in countries like Nepal? 7. Any other info about getting there, getting registered, etc. is much appreciated. >Thanks in advance, >Jana Fortier >fortier@macc.wisc.edu From Domna.C.Stanton@um.cc.umich.edu Tue Mar 21 13:32:32 MST 1995 From: Domna.C.Stanton@um.cc.umich.edu Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 15:32:02 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Women's Leadership Network (fwd) interested From kpoth@umich.edu Tue Mar 21 14:27:34 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 16:24:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Kameshwari S. Pothukuchi" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: International Women's Day I thought that it was instituted on this day to commemorate the summitting of Mount Everest by the first woman (actually, it might have been a team of women). I could be wrong. I would like to know how it was derived myself. Kami On Mon, 20 Mar 1995, Sheila M. Contreras wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > Sorry to trouble everybody on the list with this request, and I apologize in > advance for the elementary nature of this question, but I'm kind of in a > bind. My question is regarding the origins of International Women's Day. I > think I'm pretty safe in assuming that its linked to labor organizing by > women in New York, but is it specifically related to garment workers? I've > heard a few different perspectives, one which places the origins of the > commemoration in an 1857 march by women garment workers in New York, or > another that says it's in rememberance of the women factory workers who died > in the Triangle Shirtwaist Company fire in March 1911. Others relate it more > broadly to the women's labor movement in the first decades of the century. > > I'm sure that the date is meant to commemorate all of these events in some > way, but I'm writing an article on a local women's labor organization > (Fuerza Unida based in San Antonio, which is calling for a national boycott > of Levi Strauss & Company, by the way) and wanted to get my facts straight, > particularly on the 1857 march. I haven't been able to locate a clear > history and would appreciate any suggestions. > > Thanks in advance, > Sheila Contreras > sheilac@mail.utexas.edu > > > From burk@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Tue Mar 21 14:48:50 MST 1995 Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 11:48:33 -1000 From: Juli Burk To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: International Women's Day In-Reply-To: Since 8 March is my birthday I once did some research on the subject of how International Women's Day began. My understanding is that it started in Germany in 1912 after a year of strikes in mills all around Europe. However, I looked into it so long ago that I can't remember where I found the information. My interest in the celebration continues and I, too, look forward to hearing from someone who has more definitive information. Aloha, Juli Burk =============================================================================== Juli Burk Associate Professor of Theatre University of Hawaii - Dept. of Theatre and Dance phone: (808) 956-2600 fax: (808) 956-4234 internet: burk@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu =============================================================================== From Margaret.Ann.Murphy@um.cc.umich.edu Tue Mar 21 17:38:36 MST 1995 From: Margaret.Ann.Murphy@um.cc.umich.edu Date: Tue, 21 Mar 95 19:36:00 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Women's Leadership Network (fwd) I think there was a snafu in who you ment to send your message "interested" to. It was sent to me, and perhaps the whole matfem network, so there is likely a different place you want to contact. From ccliao@fcusqnt.fcu.edu.tw Tue Mar 21 18:16:07 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 09:13:58 +0800 From: ccliao@fcusqnt.fcu.edu.tw (Chao-Chih Liao) Apparently-To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Please opost tethe following Job Vacancies: Assistant Professor for English teaching position avaliable. Minimum requirements: Ph. D. in English, American, a/or Comparative Literature, or in speech and communication. Send letter of application, updated ΆΡΆδ, pu/updated CV, sample writing, copies of transcripts and degrees, and 3 letters of recommendation by May 15, 1996 to: Fangmay Peng, Chair Foreign Languages and Literature Teaching Section Feng Chia University 100 Wenhua Road, Seatwen Taichung, Taiwan Please don't send dta /data to my by my e-mail. From poss@utdallas.edu Tue Mar 21 22:17:59 MST 1995 From: poss@utdallas.edu Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 23:18:18 -0600 (CST) To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Women's Leadership Network I forwarded a message from the Women's Leadership Network a couple of days ago about organizing to fight the "Radical Republican Right." Several recipients of this list have e-mailed me instead of the above named group. I have forwarded their messages on to WLN. To get on the Women's Leadership Network, send your message of interest to: PolWoman@aol.com They have had a wonderful response and so are only able to send quick greetings to let you know that you have been heard. More should be forthcoming soon. Also, in response to the query about young women with multiple jobs: One to view it is through the de- or post- industrialization of the U.S. economy that is effecting many, not just women, workers, in the late capitalist society. If I were to be truly cynical I would say that instead of providing a living wage to women, as has been demanded since women moved from the home to the factory in the early 19th century, employers decided that they could get away with not offering a living wage to any employee, (by way of the minimum wage), regardless of of sex, race or ethnic background. Cheery thought for the day. Melinda Poss History of Ideas University of Texas at Dallas From jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Wed Mar 22 00:12:44 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 02:12:59 EST From: JUDITH LORBER To: MATFEM@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Subject: Int. Women's Day and Beijing Conference There was a posting on the origins of Int. Women's Day recently that said it commemorated a 19th century strike or maybe two and the Triangle Fire. Also that info on it is in Meredith Tax's The Rising of the Women. I also expect that you could get just that info in various internet data bases. On the UN Conference in Beijing -- NGO FORUM ON WOMEN 211 East 43 Street Suite 1500 New York, NY 10017 212-922-9267 Has info on registration, hotel reservations, dates (NGO is Aug 30-Sept 8, formal governmental UN Conference is two weeks after that -- or maybe overlapping a few days). Individuals can apply to go to the NGO Forum, you have to be a delegate to go the UN Conference. _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From BNABC%CUNYVM.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU Wed Mar 22 06:03:50 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 22 Mar 1995 06:00:27 -0700 (MST) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with RFC822 id 9768; Wed, Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 07:51:22 -0500 (EST) From: bonnie anderson Subject: Re: International Women's Day In-reply-to: Message of Mon, 20 Mar 1995 19:41:16 -0700 from To: matfem@CSF.COLORADO.EDU I can help a biton International Women's Day, especially the European side. On March 8, 1908 (three years before the Triangle Shirtwaist fire), women garment workers marched in New York City demanding the vote and a stronger union. Two years later, in 1910, Clara Zetkin, the German head of the Socialist Women's International, persuaded the S Second International todeclareMarch 8 International Women's Day. It was sporadically celebrated before WWI in Europe; during the war, governments cancelled such demonstrations. It was the decision of women in Petrograd (St. Petersburg) to strike on that day in 1917 (Feb. 23 in the Russian Orthodox Calendar) that began the February Revolution in Russia. Until the women's liberation movt of the late '60s, itwas celebrated primarily in the USSR, where it largely degenerated into kind of a mother's day -- men bought women flowers and did the dishes for a day./ Since then a lot of feminist activity has deliberately been scheduled for that day./This year I wwent to a horrid dept. meeting in the morning where budget cuts were the subject and in the afternoon to a very empowering speakout at the CUNY grad center called "Women forWomen Against the Contract." I like celebrating it, and it makes a v.g. focus for Women's History Month (which I think was designated March because of it.) But don't forget the Guerilla Girls slogan: "If March is women's history month and February is black history month, what's the rest of the year?" Bonnie S. Anderson Brooklyn College/CUNY From MFARREN%KSUVM.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU Wed Mar 22 10:52:35 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 22 Mar 1995 10:49:02 -0700 (MST) by KSUVM.KSU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with RFC822 id 6668; Wed, Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 11:09 -0600 (CST) From: toni farren Subject: Re: ambitious? In-reply-to: Your message of Mon 20 Mar 1995 19:36:12 -0700 To: matfem@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Yes, I have noticed there are women working two or three jobs. I was one of these women before I became a grad student and am now working only at one low wage job as a research assistant. I am currently proposing a study that examines how economic restructuring over the period of the 1980s relates to the increasing rate of women's part-time employment. An excellent study on this trend in Great Britain that may be of interest to you is titled A Matter of Hours by Beechey and Perkins (1987). Certainly, I would not describe this trend as ambition. It has more to do with how work in predominately female industries and occupations is constructed and structured. And it has everything to do with being a female worker in a capitalist/patriarchal society. Toni From VOGELL@CC.DENISON.EDU Wed Mar 22 11:29:30 MST 1995 From: VOGELL@CC.DENISON.EDU Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 13:25:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: International Women's Day To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu The 1857 demonstration never happened. I remember being mystified by the notion that it was at the origin of IWD, for I could find no mention of it in the main chronicle of such activities, a multivolume U.S. gov. document (was it by Andrews and Bliss?). This was around 1971, when we were first struggling to learn and teach women's history. So I was excited to discover what the real scoop was from Temma Kaplan in Feminist Studies, vol. 11, no. 1 (Spring 1985). Lise Vogel Sociology/Anthropology Denison University Granville, OH 43023 614/587-6312 vogell@denison.edu From RUSSELLK@snycorva.cortland.edu Wed Mar 22 11:43:18 MST 1995 From: RUSSELLK@snycorva.cortland.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #5424) id <01HOFRWWFA5I008CTF@snycorva.cortland.edu>; Wed, 22 Mar 1995 13:44:08 +0000 (EASTERN) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 13:44:08 +0000 (EASTERN) Subject: Re: International Women's Day To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu I'd like to add a bit to what Bonnie Anderson contributed on International Women's Day: I'm quoting from _What Have Women Done? A Photo Essay on Working Women in the United States_ published by the San Fransico Women's History Group , United Front Press, 1974 "Several weeks after thousands of young garment workers won a hard-fought strike, many of them joined a demonstration on New York's Lower East Side. Joined by women active in the suffrage movement, immigrant working women raised demands for better living and working conditions, an end to child labor, and the right to vote. The date was March 8, 1909. Two years later March 8 was declared "International Women's Day" at an International socialist conference held in Europe." (from the back of coverpage giving details on the cover picture entitled "The Uprising of the 20,000, New York City, 1909) Page 22: "The `Uprising of the Twenty Thousand' on New York City's East Side in 1909 was a hight point of [the] period. The shirwaistmakers of two shops (one of them the notorious Triangle Shirt Waist Company) had been on strike for a month when a mass meeting of garment workers was called. A teenaged striker, Clara Lemlich, who had already suffered several broken ribs from police attacks on the picket lines, became impatient with empty speechmaking. She stood up and declared: `I am a working girl, and one of those who are on strike against intolerable working conditions. I am tired of listening to speakers who talk in general terms. What we are here for is to decide whether or not we shall strike. I offer a resolution that a general strike be declared...NOW!' Over 20,000 workers, three-fourths of them women, walked out the next day. They fought a bitter 13-week strike, enduring evictions, hanger, cold, attacks by hired thugs, and over 600 arrests. But in the end, the women brought the International Ladies Garment Workers Union (ILGWU) into more than 300 shops, with shorter hours and more pay." I hope this information is useful. Note the discrepancy in dates in Bonnie's message and the 1909 date from my reference. I don't know how to resolve this myself. I have used the above information often in speaking about International Women's Day. I especially like to use the quote from Clara Lemlich with students. I hope it's inspirational for some to hear that a person so young- younger even than most of them!- had such profound influence on the outcome of events. I know I find it inspirational myself!! Here's the message from Bonnie Anderson: > >I can help a biton International Women's Day, especially the European >side. On March 8, 1908 (three years before the Triangle Shirtwaist >fire), women garment workers marched in New York City demanding the >vote and a stronger union. Two years later, in 1910, Clara Zetkin, >the German head of the Socialist Women's International, persuaded the S >Second International todeclareMarch 8 International Women's Day. It >was sporadically celebrated before WWI in Europe; during the war, >governments cancelled such demonstrations. It was the decision >of women in Petrograd (St. Petersburg) to strike on that day in >1917 (Feb. 23 in the Russian Orthodox Calendar) that began the >February Revolution in Russia. Until the women's liberation >movt of the late '60s, itwas celebrated primarily in the USSR, >where it largely degenerated into kind of a mother's day -- >men bought women flowers and did the dishes for a day./ >Since then a lot of feminist activity has deliberately been >scheduled for that day./This year I wwent to a horrid dept. >meeting in the morning where budget cuts were the subject and >in the afternoon to a very empowering speakout at the CUNY >grad center called "Women forWomen Against the Contract." >I like celebrating it, and it makes a v.g. focus for Women's >History Month (which I think was designated March because of >it.) But don't forget the Guerilla Girls slogan: "If March >is women's history month and February is black history month, >what's the rest of the year?" > Bonnie S. Anderson > Brooklyn College/CUNY From EJDANIEL@root.indstate.edu Wed Mar 22 12:30:51 MST 1995 22 Mar 95 14:27:38 GMT-5 From: "ejusers" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu, matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 14:27:15 EST Subject: Women's history X-Confirm-Reading-To: "ejusers" X-pmrqc: 1 Speaking of Women's history and International Women's day, there was a wonderful documentary on TNT last night called "A Century of Women," focusing on women, including women of color, who have been instrumental in changing societal views. I found it very informative because, I am sad and embarassed to say, my knowledge of women of history is extremely limited and only reflects what I learned tangentially through my few American history courses. Which brings me to my question: Are there any books that deal with the subject of the role of women in history? Also, while I am begging your indulgence, for my master's thesis, I using Daniel Defoe's MOLL FLANDERS and an essay that he wrote, CONJUGAL LEWDNESS, OR MATRIMONIAL WHOREDOM, looking at the rhetorical conventions in both and hoping to find how is concerns for women in eighteenth century England are represented in both texts, specifically his criticisms of the marriage practices of his own society. What I need are some references for books that discuss marriage and women in the eighteenth century in terms of economics. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for all suggestions, you can mail them to me directly at ejdaniel@root.indstate.edu. Chaun Daniels From lenar@tenet.edu Wed Mar 22 13:27:01 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 14:27:19 -0600 (CST) From: Lena Rotenberg To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Women's history In-Reply-To: <10E731141E4@root.indstate.edu> Chaun, Regarding the role of women in history, I would recommend Dale Spender's _Women of Ideas & what men have done to them_. Dale Spender is an Australian feminist, and the book was published by Pandora Press (HarperCollins). A softbound copy is available. "A Century of Women" had the same effect on me when I saw if a few months ago: I realized how little I knew, and literally cried in frustration as I learned stuff I should have been exposed to when I was five. Note: the cable channel was TBS, not TNT--Jane Fonda took an active part in this project. blessings, lena rotenberg lenar@tenet.edu From sheilac@mail.utexas.edu Wed Mar 22 17:38:00 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 18:35:33 -0600 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: sheilac@mail.utexas.edu (Sheila M. Contreras) Subject: THANKS FOR INFO. Don't mean to clog things up, but just wanted to thank everyone who posted infomation regarding my query on the origins of International Women's Day. It has been very useful. Sheila Contreras The University of Texas at Austin sheilac@mail.utexas.edu From poss@utdallas.edu Wed Mar 22 20:04:49 MST 1995 From: poss@utdallas.edu Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 21:05:09 -0600 (CST) To: Matfem Subject: wln membership form (retransmit) (fwd) Its me again, doing a little more organizing. Here is the latest forward= =20 from wln (women's leadership network). Some of it is a little messy, but= =20 bear with us. Melinda ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 15:04:25 -0500 From: PolWoman@aol.com Subject: wln membership form (retransmit) Dear Friend, We are overwhelmed by the response to our posting. We got 300+ replies in t= he first 72 hours alone! :) And the QUALITY of the women and men who've responded has been EXTRAORDINARY. :) :) We wish each of you could see all t= he fabulous warm messages we're receiving. If we can pull everything together, we will have an INCREDIBLE network in a very short time!! Some of you who are receiving this form didn't actually see the original posting; instead, you saw someone's summation. Since we have no idea what you might have read, we have included the original announcement at the end of this documen= t. This should answer any questions you might have. As we indicated in our announcement, the Women's Leadership Network is gear= ed towards political ACTION. Naturally, everyone has their particular preferences. We've therefore put a lot of specific questions into the membership form. Don't feel guilty about saying "NO". If everyone does what they like best with energy and enthusiasm, we'll have a tremendously effective group. In the announcement, we said: >We are tentatively planning to go public on April 11 with a press conferen= ce in >New York City. If you send us an e-mail, we'll put you on our distribution list >and send you a membership form. If you return that form to us before April 8, we >will list you as a "Charter Member" in our press materials. Please note: we will only list you if you indicate that we MAY list you as = a supporter in the question below. We look forward to hearing from you! Within a few weeks, we should be able = to put this great organization to work! Regards, Women's Leadership Network *************************************************************************** Women=92s Leadership Network Membership Form: E-mail version Copy the questions into your mail message and type the answers to the right of each question. Return it to polwoman@aol.com. Feel free to post widely! :) Membership dues are $10 or whatever you can afford. If you're flat broke, please make your contribution in-kind by taking some action each day.=20 If you've got a little to spare, additional contributions are most welcome,= =20 and will greatly help us build the organization. We are non-profit but=20 contributions are not tax deductible because we are political (like NOW). Mail contributions to:=20 Women's Leadership Network, 276 Chatterton Parkway, White Plains NY 10606 ***************************************************************************= ** Name: Address: City: State:=20 Zip: Organization: Title: Home Phone: Work Phone: Fax: Congressperson: State Sen: State Rep: May we list your name publicly as a supporter? May we list your organization for identification? Would you be a spokesperson? Would you write letters to editor, op-eds, etc.? Would you call talk shows? Would you e-mail, call, or write your elected representatives? Are you willing to work on political campaigns? Would you register women to vote? Are you active in a political party?=20 If so, which? Would you consider becoming more active in your party? Have you ever run for elective office? Would you consider running for office? Would you collect information available on-line for reposting? Would you disseminate our materials to groups you belong to? Would you help with data entry and database maintenance? Strongest issues: Comments/suggestions: *************************************** Return this form to: polwoman@aol.com From jlo@cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu Wed Mar 22 22:41:46 MST 1995 Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 00:41:30 EST From: JUDITH LORBER To: MATFEM@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Subject: women and history Just for starters, see Bonnie S. Anderson and Judith P. Zinsser, A History of Their Own: Women in Europe from Prehistory to the Present, V 1 and 2, 1988, Harper & Row Also -- Teresa Amott and Julie Mattaei. Race, Gender, and Work: A Multicultural Economic History of Women in the United States, 1991, South end Press Richard Stites. The women's liberation movement in Russia: Feminism, nihilism and Bolshevism, 1860-1930. 1990, Princeton University Press There are books on women and the Chinese revolution, French revolution, and Spanish Civil War as well as recent revolutions in Islamic countries and in East Europe. _________________________________________________________________________ Judith Lorber Sociology, CUNY Graduate School 33 West 42 Street, NY, NY 10036 212-642-2416 FAX:212-642-2420 JLO@CUNYVMS1.GC.CUNY.EDU From CZSJ@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Tue Mar 28 15:28:40 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 28 Mar 1995 15:25:08 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 17:28:24 -0500 (EST) From: johnson Subject: discourse analysis To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu This note is to engage once again in a discussion of a few weeks ago under the heading "ideology and discourse." The pre-history had to do with discussions about discourse analysis issues (i think raised by sue bouse...but correct me if i am wrong) to which i raised some concerns regarding wholly relying on discourse analysis approaches in research. my reference point being some research that i am doing right now on home movie production in the 50s and 60s and how people engaged the use of technology for the purposes of documenting everyday life. sue and i were going to take the discussion off-line and then a few people expressed interest in keeping it going. my project combines research on how 8mm and super 8 were insinuated on the domestic scene and how uses for the media were constructed in popular magazines and manuals of the period--one could argue for promotion of the nuclear family ideal. what i found happening in these discursive constructions was a kind of streamlining of use of these technologies in the family setting which assume that people will use a technology in a particular way thus neglecting to ask questions on what people actually do with technologies. my research combines such discursive constructions (i.e. in photo mag advice columns, parenting magazines, and other pop mags, manuals), informed by questions like to whom were these modes of communication directed, and in terms of advice columns what kinds of narratives would be appropriate for filming, etc. with viewing home movie reels and talking to their producers. in the case of instruction manuals and advice columns i think there is an assumption that because the advice is there that it is followed when really we cannot be assured of what kinds of uses people make of communication technologies....specifically in private places like the home. this is why i made the comment regarding "discursive determinism." i happen to think discourse analysis is very important and indeed critical for feminist analyses. my problem here, and by going into a bit of detail about my work i hope to have introduced this, concerns asking if we are all and always discursively constructed...or are there ways to challenge this. this is all, however, in early research stages and some methodological thoughts i'm going through right now. by no means am i throwing out discourse analysis, but am asking questions that have come up with respect to my travels in this project. now this is way too long a posting. sue, i hope this clears up your question regarding the project from where i speak and hope this opens something up. others who are interested in this topic might want to talk about their research too. one last thing-- being confused about how we got to the point of opposing ideology and discourse, dividing them with "vs"...i've just dropped it from the posting. can anybody explain where that came from. thanks for your eyes on this rather long note...now i'll leave it for discussion. stacey johnson From Elizabeth.Bounds@vt.edu Wed Mar 29 06:05:17 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 09:08:57 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: Elizabeth.Bounds@vt.edu (Elizabeth Bounds) Subject: Re: discourse analysis Thanks, Stacey, for returning to the discussion. I (who brought up the topic) have been quiet because I have been trying to get to read Rosemary Hennessey's book to help me think through the topic. Still doing this, so still quiet on that front! But I was the one who used "vs."so let me explain. I myself do not see it as "vs." at all, but I was concerned by the way it was constructed as "vs." by the very good book I am reading, Changing the Subject by Mary McClintock Fulkerson, which does a discourse analysis of the ways different groups of women (middle-class academic white feminist theologians, middle-class white Presbyterian women, and working-class white Appalachian Pentecostal women) appropriate Christian scripture. She makes a point of showing how ideological analysis doesn't do what discourse analysis can do in terms of probing the social constructions involved. I kept thinking, "but you are doing a form of ideological analysis, so what's the issue here?" My own concern arises, I think, from being one of a very small group of women within my field (religious studies, if you haven't guessed!) who has worked in/studied marxist traditions--as opposed to the many who are turning to various forms of discourse analysis without having wrestled with marxist traditions. The "vs" for me comes not so much from questions of scholarship as questions of the way we see what it is we are about as academics. As I write, I think the issue may be what kind of discourse analysis is being used and what degree of attention is paid to capitalist institutions. I'm still not sure where I stand in all this, but I did want to respond to your note. Elizabeth Bounds Religious Studies Program Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 24061-0135 Phone: 703-231-7617 Fax: 703-231-6367 E-Mail: Elizabeth.Bounds@vt.edu From lockard@netvision.net.il Wed Mar 29 07:00:54 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:00:24 +0200 To: From: lockard@netvision.net.il (Joseph F. Lockard) For those who can help, might I request a couple of reading recommendations to address the ideological nexus between nationalism and sexuality? Many thanks, JOE %/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/% Joe Lockard Tel. (972) 2-246470 [H] Kibbutz Teachers College E-mail lockard@netvision.net.il 149 Derekh Namir (and) Tel Aviv / ISRAEL lockard@uclink2.berkeley.edu (or) Rehov Nissim Behar 3 Jerusalem / ISRAEL %/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/% From ingrac@hopper.Sage.EDU Wed Mar 29 07:40:39 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 09:38:42 -0500 (EST) From: Chrys Ingraham To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: discourse analysis In-Reply-To: <28MAR95.18871512.0060.MUSIC@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> It strikes me that your analysis falls more solidly within poststructuralist feminism; that your argument in not really engaging with material conditions or making use of historical materialism or asking "discourse to what end?" Is that the case? If so, I think that's the answer to your question about the place of ideology in this discussion. If you are conducting discourse analysis as though discourse somehow exists outside the systems of meaning organizing or produced by capitalism and patriarchy then ideology would not be useful to your analysis---and, your analysis is not materialist. Thoughts? Chrys Ingraham From MSAWICKI%IRISHVMA.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU Wed Mar 29 08:44:42 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 29 Mar 1995 08:41:04 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 08:43:16 -0500 (EST) From: Marianne Sawicki Subject: Re: discourse analysis In-reply-to: Message of Tue, 28 Mar 1995 15:31:00 -0700 from To: matfem@CSF.COLORADO.EDU A question for Stacey Johnson: In your research on home movie production in the 1950's and 1960's, do you address the question of the economic class of the movie-makers? It seems to me that relatively few people were able to afford movie cameras. The ability to make movies about oneself was a class privilege. How was the discourse about it kept away from the wrong people? (or perhaps paraded in front of them, and with what effects?) A personal memory: I was born in 1950. We didn't have a movie camera but my cousins did. After my father's death in 1990, my uncle gave us a video (transcribed from his movies) with footage of me and my brothers and cousins as little kids, playing with each other and with our then-very-young parents. I really love this tape. BUT, my mother cannot watch it because it makes her very sad. I've been puzzled about this. Now I am wondering whether she hates the tape because she remembers the conditions of its production, while I do not. The movie-baby-pictures coincide pretty well with my own (fantasized? produced?) memories of happy childhood. Marianne Sawicki University of Notre Dame and University of Kentucky From fac62@mhc.mtholyoke.edu Wed Mar 29 08:56:05 MST 1995 From: fac62@mhc.mtholyoke.edu Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:55:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: discourse analysis To: Elizabeth Bounds In-Reply-To: <199503291305.GAA02620@csf.Colorado.EDU> Your reference to Mary Mc Clintock Fulkerson's book sounds very interesting. I too think that discourse analysis, though important to any theory, cant' be sufficient when we look for accounts that capture the social dynamics in something like an explanatory way ("explanation" is out of style, but some suitable reformulation of that aim remains important, doesn't it?) I think that Hennessy's article "Women's lives/feminist knowledge: Feminist standpoint as ideology critique" (Hypatia, 8, 1993) is an excellent discussion of some of those issues, clearer than some of her book. Also, Michele Barrett, Words and things, in Barrett and Phillips ' Destabilizing Theory (Stanford U Press, 1992). Rachel Joffe Falmagne. On Wed, 29 Mar 1995, Elizabeth Bounds wrote: > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 06:06:30 -0700 > From: Elizabeth Bounds > Subject: Re: discourse analysis > > Thanks, Stacey, for returning to the discussion. I (who brought up the > topic) have been quiet because I have been trying to get to read Rosemary > Hennessey's book to help me think through the topic. Still doing this, so > still quiet on that front! But I was the one who used "vs."so let me > explain. I myself do not see it as "vs." at all, but I was concerned by > the way it was constructed as "vs." by the very good book I am reading, > Changing the Subject by Mary McClintock Fulkerson, which does a discourse > analysis of the ways different groups of women (middle-class academic white > feminist theologians, middle-class white Presbyterian women, and > working-class white Appalachian Pentecostal women) appropriate Christian > scripture. She makes a point of showing how ideological analysis doesn't > do what discourse analysis can do in terms of probing the social > constructions involved. I kept thinking, "but you are doing a form of > ideological analysis, so what's the issue here?" My own concern arises, I > think, from being one of a very small group of women within my field > (religious studies, if you haven't guessed!) who has worked in/studied > marxist traditions--as opposed to the many who are turning to various forms > of discourse analysis without having wrestled with marxist traditions. The > "vs" for me comes not so much from questions of scholarship as questions of > the way we see what it is we are about as academics. As I write, I think > the issue may be what kind of discourse analysis is being used and what > degree of attention is paid to capitalist institutions. I'm still not sure > where I stand in all this, but I did want to respond to your note. > > > Elizabeth Bounds > Religious Studies Program > Virginia Tech > Blacksburg, VA 24061-0135 > Phone: 703-231-7617 Fax: 703-231-6367 > E-Mail: Elizabeth.Bounds@vt.edu > > > From jae2@tmphost.york.ac.uk Wed Mar 29 10:19:09 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:19:23 +0100 (BST) From: Judy Evans To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: discourse analysis and or v. ideology In-Reply-To: On Wed, 29 Mar 1995, Chrys Ingraham wrote: > poststructuralist feminism; that your argument in not really engaging > with material conditions or making use of historical materialism or > discussion. If you are conducting discourse analysis as though discourse > somehow exists outside the systems of meaning organizing or produced by > capitalism and patriarchy then ideology would not be useful to your > analysis---and, your analysis is not materialist. Thoughts? (I couldn't edit this down any further) I have a problem with this. First I agree with the point - which Chrys I suppose implies - that discourse analysts tend to the non-material. Second though, I find it difficult to see why those not discussing capitalism and patriarchy - not using a framework characteristic to such a discussion? - a) have to renounce the notion of ideology and b) are not materialists. I can see why Chrys is saying this and how it fits into socialist feminist thought (I have in mind socialist feminism prior to or not associated with the poststructuralist turn). If this has come out a bit antagonistic; I had problems wording it. --------------------------------------------------------------- Judy Evans + Politics + jae2@york.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------- From eahg237@ea.oac.uci.edu Wed Mar 29 10:43:07 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 09:43:33 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Bouse To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: discourse analysis and or v. ideology In-Reply-To: I'm glad to see this discussion started again! It seems to me that many of us are agreeing more than we're disagreeing. I'm puzzled about what seems to be a fear of "discourse determinism," however. Perhaps I haven't read the theorists you are refering to, but I've more often seen materialist feminists attempting to make use of discourse theory as a corrective to older versions of marxism that would tend toward the opposite direction. I was glad to see Hennessey mentioned. I think she attempts to redefine discourse as a type of ideology--a move I find very helpful. The fact is that discourse never operates as _a_ discourse--it's constantly intersecting with other discourses and material conditions. I think this is why Stacey Johnson quite properly is suspicious of manuals and advice columns as providing any accurate data about what people did with these cameras. The manuals probably _did_ influence behavior, but they didn't operate in a vaccuum. I was also happy to see a reference to Michele Barrett's "Words and Things." I think this article is really helpful in demonstrating how categories (words / things, materialism / discourse analysis, etc.) can be used as a productive critique of each other, preventing claims of "determinism" in any form. I'm not sure I've directly responded to anyone's points, but I'm glad to see the discussion continued. From seligman@spot.Colorado.EDU Wed Mar 29 11:24:32 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:25:01 -0700 (MST) From: SELIGMAN ADAM To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199503291400.QAA02919@dns.netvision.net.il> Hello, here some names that can help you, Michele Barrett, Nira Yuval -Davis has an edited book on nationalism and gender, Leila Ahmed, Women and gender in Islam, Stratton hawley Fundamentalism and Gender. I myself have an article on gender ,collective identity and nationalism that is under review. It actually focuses on Jewish Israeli women. When accepted for publication I will send it to you if you are interested. On what are you working? kol tuv, Rahel Wasserfall, Women Studies Program Boulder colorado. On Wed, 29 Mar 1995, Joseph F. Lockard wrote: > For those who can help, might I request a couple of reading recommendations > to address the ideological nexus between nationalism and sexuality? Many > thanks, JOE > > > %/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/% > > Joe Lockard Tel. (972) 2-246470 [H] > Kibbutz Teachers College E-mail lockard@netvision.net.il > 149 Derekh Namir (and) > Tel Aviv / ISRAEL lockard@uclink2.berkeley.edu > (or) > Rehov Nissim Behar 3 > Jerusalem / ISRAEL > > %/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/%/% > > From rleidner@sas.upenn.edu Wed Mar 29 13:44:27 MST 1995 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:44:55 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: rleidner@sas.upenn.edu (Robin Leidner) Subject: materialism/discourse Dorothy Smith's work might be of interest to list members struggling with the relation between discourse analysis and materialism. She has been writing about discourse for years, but not in a poststructuralist framework. She pays a great deal of careful attention to how texts are produced, how they operate to allow powerful groups exercise power, and how they come to have some bearing on the everyday lives of ordinary people. _The Conceptual Practices of Power_ gives a good idea of her approach. Robin Leidner Sociology, Univ. of Penn From CZSJ@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Thu Mar 30 07:43:02 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 30 Mar 1995 07:39:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:42:41 -0500 (EST) From: johnson Subject: Re[2]: discourse analysis In-reply-to: In reply to your message of WED 29 MAR 1995 10:44:54 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In response to Marianne...absolutely. class is a very important issue. Not only in terms of purchasing a particular technology but in terms of the kinds of values pertaining to memory that are instilled in certain groups in society. As it stands, home movie making was, to say the least, a pretty middle to upper ( (very loose categories i admit) affair...there are certain histories that warrant remembering perhaps more than others...as Marxist analyses have shown us. I am in the very early stages here but already think that I will be hard-pressed to find people outside of that middle to upper range. I think it also has a lot to do with how people value images. Your personal history (thank you for sharing by the way) about your mother's sadness leads me to another thought....some histories are too painful to remember and in this same vein perhaps are too painful to even to want to be remembered...not every life is rosy. could this be the social and corporate engineering of popular history...or a popular negotiation of narrative ability...so be it in a limited scope? As for keeping the discourse closed or protected from the "wrong" people...i think this requires asking questions about larger social constructions such as the promotion of the nuclear family ideal and the usefulness of such "discourses" in promoting other "ideologies" about life. which makes a nice leap into Chrys Ingraham's point and I think what I was getting at in my posing of the question of why they appeared separated...discourse and ideology overlap in insidious ways. I was born in 65 however some of my siblings were born in the early 50s so we span a couple of generations here. When i watch my movies I am hard-pressed for memories of a time...could be b/c most films include my siblings before I was born...my family before it was my family. I think that we have only scratched the surface about relations of social production of the period...and Marianne your mother's tears could likely be indicative of this...who knows. stacey johnson >A question for Stacey Johnson: In your research on home movie production >in the 1950's and 1960's, do you address the question of the economic >class of the movie-makers? It seems to me that relatively few people >were able to afford movie cameras. The ability to make movies about >oneself was a class privilege. How was the discourse about it kept >away from the wrong people? (or perhaps paraded in front of them, and >with what effects?) > A personal memory: I was born in 1950. We didn't have a movie >camera but my cousins did. After my father's death in 1990, my uncle >gave us a video (transcribed from his movies) with footage of me and my >brothers and cousins as little kids, playing with each other and with >our then-very-young parents. I really love this tape. BUT, my mother >cannot watch it because it makes her very sad. I've been puzzled about >this. Now I am wondering whether she hates the tape because she remembers >the conditions of its production, while I do not. The movie-baby-pictures >coincide pretty well with my own (fantasized? produced?) memories of happy >childhood. > >Marianne Sawicki >University of Notre Dame and University of Kentucky From relihco@mail.auburn.edu Thu Mar 30 08:08:26 MST 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:08:58 -0600 (CST) From: Constance Relihan To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: discourse analysis In-Reply-To: <30MAR95.10488607.0112.MUSIC@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA> content-length: 477 A quick question for Stacey Johnson: To what extent have you found home movie production to be gendered? My anecdotal sense of the business (from watching other families--I don't come from a family that takes many photographs and certainly has never owned any means of taking home movies) is that it is males who tend to control the camera and, therefore, what gets filmed. Am I simply stating the obvious? Have such issues been emerging in your work?--Constance Relihan From Domna.C.Stanton@um.cc.umich.edu Thu Mar 30 10:08:19 MST 1995 From: Domna.C.Stanton@um.cc.umich.edu Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 12:07:20 EST To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu there is a volume edited by Patricia Yaeger, Mary Russo et all called Nationalism and Sexuality I believe. From 6500xine@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu Thu Mar 30 12:08:29 MST 1995 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 95 11:10:50 PST From: 6500xine@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Christine Kiessling) To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: home movie making First of all, I want to thank everyone for such a lively and illuminating discussion. This is the most interesting topic on all of my lists! I was inspired to chip in by Constance Reilhan's question to Stacy Johnson about the gendered production of these movies. Judith Williamson's _Consuming Passions: the Dynamics of Popular Culture_ has a chapter on "Family, Education, Photography" which discusses the heterosexist and capitalist representation / re-creation of the family in the context of still photography (all of those lovely "Kodak moments") which could be useful, if you don't already have it, and it addresses specifically "father's hand" being featured in ads. You might also look at the writing of Abigail Solomon-Godeau (I can look for a specific cite, but one of her frequent motifs is the "man behind the camera"). In Stacey Johnson's most recent post I was struck (again...) by the "social and corporate engineering of popular history ... or a popular negotiation of narrative ability..." This may seem bizarre, but the comment made me think about the power of vaguarity in the management of nostalgia. "Vaguarity" is a concept I would like to investigate as a tool of social or state power (I work on German art history), and, whatever Judith Butler says about its usefulness in evading binary pigeon-holing, it seems to me that it cuts both ways.... Back to the idea of home movies, it seems the "memories" invoked in various "participants" (who were too young to know the conditions of producton-Marianne Sadwicki) might be discussed in terms of socially-constructed and managed nostalgia. The specific example of vaguarity and nostalgia that Stacey's comments evoked were Laurence Olivier's very "moving" speech to the Academy --anyone else remember that one? and Ronald Reagan's bizarre homily to watching the sun setting while driving along the Pacific Coast Highway. Just a few thoughts... Christine Kiessling University of California, Santa Barbara Dept. of History of Art and Architecture e-mail 6500xine@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu From CZSJ@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA Thu Mar 30 18:41:27 MST 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) 30 Mar 1995 18:37:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 20:41:18 -0500 (EST) From: johnson Subject: movies/memories/discourse... To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu I join Christine Kiessling in her perceptions of a lively discussion going down and how I am picking up on some great exchanges. To respond to Constance Relihan's question about this technologies being "gendered." I don't think you're stating the obvious at all and that to a great extent these things were directed at "dad" and mom is in the pictures. This was my assumption in starting with this work until I started thinking very locally about my mother's movie making in my family and realized that she contributed as many reels as my father, which prompted me to begin posing this question to people in my quest for home movies makers. Male dominated and directed however I have seen some ads in 50s mags directed at "mom" and have found women who did use the camera. I find this particularly fascinating because it marks perhaps an intervention in the popular history of use at which point we can ponder different histories... I am intrigued by Christine's use of "vaguarity" and would like to hear more about your arrival at this term...your spin on Judith Butler....it does have an interesting ring. These things are indeed forked...i.e. what do we risk/gain with this kind of liminality, blurring of boundaries. I find myself both risking and gaining in my own contemplations...and add to that how I find Judith Butler's work engaging. Christine, what are you researching in German art history? I would like to change the OR in my comment re) "social and corporate engieering of pop history or the negotiation of pop narrative ability" to consider how both could be going on simulatenously. Why limit with OR multiply with AND. How do you pick up on this idea in your work? Anybody else? Cheers Group, Stacey Johnson