From h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au Wed Sep 6 19:13:43 1995 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 09:17:47 +0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au (Helena ) Subject: reviews Hi everyone, I am battling with Rosemary Hennessys book Materialist Feminism and the Politics of DIscourse (or should I say I have been for the last 2 years!) I think Hennessy presents many cogent theoretical insights for the contemporary mat feminist. I would however, love to know if anyone has written a critque, paper or review of the book as it seems the "ovular" text for mat fem in the 90's - I realise that Rosemary Hennessy is involved in this list and I would welcome discussion about the key tennets of the book from anyone interested. I feel that critical engagement with others re: this text would help clarify some of the tricky issues within it. I have recently read Donna Landry and Gerald MacLeans book Materialist Feminisms and find it interesting that these two books seem so different - the latter dealing with the terrain and key players and the former interrogating serious concepts such as discourse, the social, global analytics etc. Hoping to hear from someone.anyone soon xxhelena From jnewman@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu Wed Sep 6 20:42:21 1995 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jane O. Newman" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: reviews In-Reply-To: <9509070117.AA01837@central.murdoch.edu.au> I too would like to begin a real discussion of the book as well as the actual methodology of mat. fem. I am in the midst of writing the intro. to my book on Renaissance feminism and consider myself to have engaged in a materialist method in the substance of the argument, but with the key point being the "matter" of texts on polit. theory and their accessibility to and impact on both women and men at the time. So -- in other words -- I am willing to engage in this debate, Helena. So let's begin. Jane O. Newman, English/Comp. Lit./Women's Studies, UCI On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, Helena wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am battling with Rosemary Hennessys book Materialist Feminism and the > Politics of DIscourse (or should I say I have been for the last 2 years!) I > think Hennessy presents many cogent theoretical insights for the > contemporary mat feminist. I would however, love to know if anyone has > written a critque, paper or review of the book as it seems the "ovular" text > for mat fem in the 90's - I realise that Rosemary Hennessy is involved in > this list and I would welcome discussion about the key tennets of the book > from anyone interested. I feel that critical engagement with others re: > this text would help clarify some of the tricky issues within it. I have > recently read Donna Landry and Gerald MacLeans book Materialist Feminisms > and find it interesting that these two books seem so different - the latter > dealing with the terrain and key players and the former interrogating > serious concepts such as discourse, the social, global analytics etc. > > Hoping to hear from someone.anyone soon > > xxhelena > > > From lennox@german.umass.edu Thu Sep 7 12:51:44 1995 by pobox.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #6523) id <01HUZYMXY75S000YW1@pobox.oit.umass.edu> for matfem@csf.colorado.edu; Thu, Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 14:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Sara Lennox Subject: Re: reviews In-reply-to: <9509070117.AA01837@central.murdoch.edu.au> To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu I would be delighted to see a discussion of Rosemary Hennessey's book, since at the moment I am trying to do a reading of it in connection with the article I asked the list for help with some months ago, "Materialistischer Feminismus und Postmoderne," an article for a German collection on contemporary Marxism. I certainly have no superior insights into the book, but I HAVE read it very carefully. A reference librarian and I could locate no published reviews of the book--does anyone know of any we might have missed? To initiate a debate, let me ask one of the questions that I am most puzzled about, her notion of systemic analysis of "social totalities like patriarchy and racism" (p. xi). I think I MAY be prepared to believe that capitalism is a social totality or a single system--though I think it is also possible that there are local capitalismS that intersect with transnational capitalism. But it's much harder for me to think of patriarchy or racism as a single system--I am inclined to think that there are culturally-specific forms of male dominance (that may well intersect with the Western patriarchy of consumer capitalism) and of racism--for instance, I wouldn't want to allege at all that the racism directed against Bosnian Muslims (or intra-African or -Asian ethnic antagonism) was identical or even had much in common with US racism directed at African-Americans or Latinos--so I would want to talk about systemS (a description she criticizes in Foucault) rather than a single system. That doesn't mean we wouldn't want to look at global connections, but we might want to be prepared to acknowledge that the systems may well be incommensurable.--BUT maybe I just don't understand the argument she is making. I look forward to discussing this with you all! --Sara Lennox University of Massachusetts, Amherst From h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au Fri Sep 8 02:31:01 1995 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:35:08 +0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au (Helena ) Subject: Re: reviews Dear Jane and Sara and everyone, I was delighted to hear that you are interested in discussing Hennessy's book. How would you like to proceed? Do you want the debate/discussion etc on the list or privately. It might be useful to have it on the list so that anyone can join in - perhaps a three way discussion could be initiated by discussing the issues we all want to deal with - for example, Jane's question about the "matter" of mat fem - it would be really interesting to discuss the possibiities of praxis, by that I mean how the matter is actualised -(Is this what you mean or did I get it wrong?) this question leads into Sara's question or comment about the problematics of systemic analysis of social totalities - perhaps Hennessy is saying that a meta approach is more useful to the mat feminist in order to see the links and areas where oppressions etc are incommensurable rather than meaning that the systems are "A" system? I am not sure either - but Hennessy says that she is not advocating a totalizing system(p16 (paraphrase)) so perhaps by this she is allowing for the gaps and silences? >From a larger or more holistic(read global) position perhaps these problems become apparent. I don't know if I am making sense - maybe we could discuss this further because the more I write the less clear I become. looking forward to talking to you soon xxxhelena >I too would like to begin a real discussion of the book as well as the >actual methodology of mat. fem. I am in the midst of writing the intro. >to my book on Renaissance feminism and consider myself to have engaged in >a materialist method in the substance of the argument, but with the key >point being the "matter" of texts on polit. theory and their >accessibility to and impact on both women and men at the time. So -- in >other words -- I am willing to engage in this debate, Helena. So let's begin. >Jane O. Newman, English/Comp. Lit./Women's Studies, UCI > >On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, Helena wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I am battling with Rosemary Hennessys book Materialist Feminism and the >> Politics of DIscourse (or should I say I have been for the last 2 years!) I >> think Hennessy presents many cogent theoretical insights for the >> contemporary mat feminist. I would however, love to know if anyone has >> written a critque, paper or review of the book as it seems the "ovular" text >> for mat fem in the 90's - I realise that Rosemary Hennessy is involved in >> this list and I would welcome discussion about the key tennets of the book >> from anyone interested. I feel that critical engagement with others re: >> this text would help clarify some of the tricky issues within it. I have >> recently read Donna Landry and Gerald MacLeans book Materialist Feminisms >> and find it interesting that these two books seem so different - the latter >> dealing with the terrain and key players and the former interrogating >> serious concepts such as discourse, the social, global analytics etc. >> >> Hoping to hear from someone.anyone soon >> >> xxhelena >> >> >> > > From falconer@cwis.unomaha.edu Fri Sep 8 07:31:21 1995 Subject: Re: reviews To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:36:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Karen Falconer In-Reply-To: <9509080835.AA00286@central.murdoch.edu.au> from "Helena" at Sep 8, 95 04:35:08 pm Hi all, Please, let's have the discussion of Hennessey's book on the list so all may join in or at least "lurk" and learn. Karen Falconer Al-Hindi From Jane.Haslett@UAlberta.CA Fri Sep 8 07:58:31 1995 (8.6.5/UA3.0.0June95) id IAA02576 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:03:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Jane Haslett To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: reviews In-Reply-To: <9509080835.AA00286@central.murdoch.edu.au> I truly hope the discussion re Rosemary Hennessy's book is carried out on the list, not privately, as I find the book most interesting and would like to hear what others think of it. I am still trying to get a handle on how materialist feminist theory works without incorporating everything including a pertinent history of the period into every discussion - it seems to encompass so much that it is quite daunting! Jane From nnaples@orion.oac.uci.edu Fri Sep 8 14:55:24 1995 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:00:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Nancy Naples To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Hennessy's book In-Reply-To: <9509080835.AA00286@central.murdoch.edu.au> Jane, Sara, Helena, et al. I would like to add another question to the discussion of Hennessy's book -- one that may be more specific than the ones already posed. She argues for revaluing of "ideology" and differentiates her analysis from Foucault's notion of discourse. In some ways, Landry and MacLean also attempt to reposition "hegemony" in their rendition of materialist feminism. A broader way to recast this issue may be in terms of the legacy of socialist feminism thought in contemporary casting of materialist feminism. What is the postmodern intervention and how can it be reconciled with socialist feminist influences as Landry and MacLean attempt to do? A related issue that I am grappling with is how materialist feminisms (as I see a number of different stands already posed) influence how we approach different texts and different fields -- i.e. what is the epistemology of feminist materialist methodology? I would be especially interested in hearing from anyone who views ethnographic work through a materialist feminist lens. Nancy A. Naples Assistant Professor of Sociology and Women's Studies University of California, Irvine Irvine, California 92717 714-824-5749 (office phone) 714-824-4717 (fax) From jlpoxon@mailbox.syr.edu Sat Sep 9 09:10:27 1995 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 11:14:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Judith L. Poxon" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Hennessy's book In-Reply-To: On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Nancy Naples wrote, in part: > A related issue that I am grappling with is how materialist feminisms (as > I see a number of different stands already posed) influence how we > approach different texts and different fields -- i.e. what is the > epistemology of feminist materialist methodology? I just wanted to second the importance of this question, whether within the context of a discussion of Hennessy's book (which I have yet to read, so I'm looking forward to lurking around this proposed discussion), or in more general terms. Judith Poxon Syracuse University, Dept. of Religion jlpoxon@mailbox.syr.edu From HYPATIA@CFRVM.CFR.USF.EDU Sat Sep 9 09:36:19 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #12962) 09 Sep 1995 09:40:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 11:44:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Lopez McAlister Subject: Re: Hennessy's book In-reply-to: note of 09/09/95 11:20 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more manageable to have a discussion of an article by Hennessey that appeared in HYPATIA and is a slightly revised version of a section of her book than it is to try to discuss the whole book here, when many people haven't yet read the book. That article, Women's Lives/Feminist Knowledge: Feminist Standpoint as Ideology Critique, appeared in HYPATIA 8(1), Winter 1993, and could be read in a fairly short period of time. I think most university libraries now subscribe to Hypatia. If not you can order a copy of that issue from Indiana University Press 1-800-842-6796. Linda Lopez McAlister Department of Women's Studies University of South Florida Tampa, FL 33620 (813) 974-5531 From gimenez@csf.Colorado.EDU Sun Sep 10 13:05:11 1995 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:05:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Martha Gimenez To: matfem@csf.Colorado.EDU Subject: Re: Hennessy's book I believe Linda's suggestion makes sense; we could discuss an article first. But I would like to suggest that we make a commitment to read the book and discuss it here, in MATFEM. Perhaps three or four of us could agree to read it by a given date and present some of our questions, comments, understandings, probable applications to our fields and current research, etc. I believe that if a core group of readers from different disciplines were to make this commitment to get a systematic discussion started around the book and the more general issues of what is materialist feminist theory, epistemology and methodology, we could produce, collectively, a very important intellectual resource. Needless to say, Rosemary's participation would make the project even more attractive and I hope she has the time to join us in our discussions. Just to start the process, let me suggest that we get organized and begin a discussion of the book by mid-November. I am willing to coordinate our efforts. This is only a suggestion and if anyone has alternative views about how to do this within a reasonable time frame and in a way that is helpful to everyone, please present them to MATFEM. cordially, Martha E. Gimenez Gimenez@csf.colorado.edu _______________________________ Department of Sociology Campus Box 327 University of Colorado at Boulder Boulder, Colorado 80309 Voice: 303-492-7080 Fax: 303-492-5105 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 11:44:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Lopez McAlister To: MATERIALIST FEMINIST Subject: Re: Hennessy's book I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more manageable to have a discussion of an article by Hennessey that appeared in HYPATIA and is a slightly revised version of a section of her book than it is to try to discuss the whole book here, when many people haven't yet read the book. That article, Women's Lives/Feminist Knowledge: Feminist Standpoint as Ideology Critique, appeared in HYPATIA 8(1), Winter 1993, and could be read in a fairly short period of time. I think most university libraries now subscribe to Hypatia. If not you can order a copy of that issue from Indiana University Press 1-800-842-6796. Linda Lopez McAlister Department of Women's Studies University of South Florida Tampa, FL 33620 (813) 974-5531 From COPPOLINO@aim1.bus.ryerson.ca Sun Sep 10 13:56:30 1995 Sun, 10 Sep 95 15:58:18 GMT+3 From: "Yolanda Coppolino" Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University To: Martha Gimenez , matfem@csf.colorado.edu, owner-matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 15:57:55 EDT Subject: Re: Hennessy's book > Received: from csf.Colorado.EDU by aim1.bus.ryerson.ca (Mercury 1.1); > Sun, 10 Sep 95 15:09:52 GMT+3 > Received: from host (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9 > Received: (from gimenez@localhost) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) > id NAA05637; Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:05:10 -0600 > Message-Id: > Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 13:05:10 -0600 (MDT) > Reply-To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu > Sender: owner-matfem@csf.colorado.edu > From: Martha Gimenez > To: MATERIALIST FEMINIST > Subject: Re: Hennessy's book > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > X-To: matfem@csf.Colorado.EDU > X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CREN > X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 > > > I believe Linda's suggestion makes sense; we could discuss an article > first. But I would like to suggest that we make a commitment to read the > book and discuss it here, in MATFEM. Perhaps three or four of us could > agree to read it by a given date and present some of our questions, > comments, understandings, probable applications to our fields and current > research, etc. > > I believe that if a core group of readers from different disciplines were > to make this commitment to get a systematic discussion started around the > book and the more general issues of what is materialist feminist theory, > epistemology and methodology, we could produce, collectively, a very > important intellectual resource. Needless to say, Rosemary's > participation would make the project even more attractive and I hope she > has the time to join us in our discussions. > > Just to start the process, let me suggest that we get organized and begin > a discussion of the book by mid-November. I am willing to coordinate our > efforts. This is only a suggestion and if anyone has alternative views > about how to do this within a reasonable time frame and in a way that is > helpful to everyone, please present them to MATFEM. > > cordially, > > Martha E. Gimenez > Gimenez@csf.colorado.edu > _______________________________ > > Department of Sociology > Campus Box 327 > University of Colorado at Boulder > Boulder, Colorado 80309 > Voice: 303-492-7080 > Fax: 303-492-5105 > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 11:44:13 -0400 (EDT) > From: Linda Lopez McAlister > To: MATERIALIST FEMINIST > Subject: Re: Hennessy's book > > I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more manageable to have a discussion of an > article by Hennessey that appeared in HYPATIA and is a slightly revised versi > on > of a section of her book than it is to try to discuss the whole book here, wh > en > many people haven't yet read the book. That article, Women's Lives/Feminist > Knowledge: Feminist Standpoint as Ideology Critique, appeared in HYPATIA 8(1) > , > Winter 1993, and could be read in a fairly short period of time. I think mos > t > university libraries now subscribe to Hypatia. If not you can order a copy o > f > that issue from Indiana University Press 1-800-842-6796. > > Linda Lopez McAlister > Department of Women's Studies > University of South Florida > Tampa, FL 33620 > (813) 974-5531 > > > > Your message is interesting and sounds like a great idea for the constructive use of the net; but I think I jumped into the middle of things. Can you tell me about Hennessy's book - title and why it's been selected. Also any other bits of background I must have missed re the idea for participation. Many thanks. Yolanda Coppolino, Ryerson Polytechnic University , Toronto, Ontario M5B 2K3; 416 979 5000 x7129. From elizabeth.bounds@vt.edu Sun Sep 10 18:49:51 1995 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 20:54:41 -0500 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: elizabeth.bounds@vt.edu (Elizabeth M. Bounds) Subject: Re: Hennessy's book I too would like a more focused discussion of Hennessy . Are our options: 1. we start with the article and see how we feel after discussing it (Linda's suggestion?) OR 2. we agree to discuss the book at a certain date (Martha's suggestion)? In either case, perhaps someone could act as "moderator" and post an invitation/description of Hennessy with a couple of focus questions to kick off. If we discuss the whole book, we might want to go chpater by chapter. I would LOVE, for example, to discuss Hennessy's analysis of the academy in the first chapter. I'm not volunteering to moderate at the moment as I MUST finish revising my manuscript (which, thanks to the help of this list, draws upon Hennessy's work) by the end of the month or I am untenured dead meat. Elizabeth M. Bounds 540-231-7617 Religious Studies Program elizabeth.bounds@vt.edu Major Williams 204 Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 24061-0135 From jlpoxon@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Sep 11 08:34:17 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:38:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Judith L. Poxon" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Hennessy's book In-Reply-To: <01HV2G72M0AA0002UA@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> On Sat, 9 Sep 1995, Linda Lopez McAlister wrote: > I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more manageable to have a discussion of an > article by Hennessey that appeared in HYPATIA and is a slightly revised > version of a section of her book than it is to try to discuss the whole > book here, when many people haven't yet read the book. That article, > Women's Lives/Feminist Knowledge: Feminist Standpoint as Ideology Critique, > appeared in HYPATIA 8(1), Winter 1993 [...] I think this is a good suggestion, at least for openers. Admittedly, I am one of those who haven't read the book, but I *have* read this essay and it's a good one. Also, my experience on other lists with attempting collective discussions of long texts is not so good: people seem to lose momentum pretty quickly when it's hard to keep a focus--which it seems to be when there are as many issues to consider as there inevitably are in an entire book. Judith Poxon Syracuse University, Dept. of Religion jlpoxon@mailbox.syr.edu From dcloud@mail.utexas.edu Mon Sep 11 08:53:29 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:46:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Dana Cloud To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Hennessy's book In-Reply-To: For those interested in materialist feminism, Teresa Ebert's new book _Ludic Feminism and After_ might be a good supplement to Hennessy. It is an expansion of her essay that appeared in Cultural Critique a while back. I am interested in this conversation, too, as it seems to me that many post-structuralist feminisms have abandoned the project of social transformation that materially (economically, physically--addressing questions of need and security) benefits women, in favor of textualist strategies that end up only transforming the meanings of words or celebrating gender-bending performances. A lot of this work, I think, is pessimistic about the possibility of naming and/or altering the social totality (a word that is out of fashion). Ebert's book makes some of these arguments at greater length. I am glad for the presence of this discussion here! Best, Dana Cloud University of Texas From Jane.Haslett@UAlberta.CA Mon Sep 11 08:54:06 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 08:58:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Jane Haslett To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Hennessy's book In-Reply-To: Would be happy to discuss either the book or the article, or first one, then the other - I found both to be excellent and thought provoking. Jane From chouinar@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA Mon Sep 11 09:42:55 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 11:47:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Vera Chouinard Subject: Re: Hennessy's book To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Greetings all! Personally, I would favour a discussion of the book since the author has the space needed to really develop arguments in detail. One way to proceed might be to have 1 or 2 volunteers agree to comment on each chapter as a way of initiating discussion. Assuming I can get a copy in relatively short order, I'd be willing to volunteer to comment on ch. 1. What do you think? Cheers, Vera Chouinard From jnewman@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu Mon Sep 11 11:21:43 1995 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:26:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jane O. Newman" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Hennessy's book In-Reply-To: I'm grateful for the Ebert ref., and (in answer to Linda's suggestion, will get the Hypatia article today and get to work on it). I find myself in a bit of a quandry re the suggested dichotomy or gulf between so-called ludic fem. and so-called resistance fem. (both addressed in hennessey, but as versions of postmodernism). Hennessey makes a nice point that we need both -- that is, we need to be able to analyze the operation(s) of power in the symbolic order as well as in other material practices. So-called ludic fem. gives us the tools to address the mechanics of ideology as it forms symbolic orders of all kinds, which in turn do have (excuse the matter of fact use of the term) "material" consequences. Thus, when we speak of post-struct. fem. as "having abandoned" the project of social tranformation, we seem to be 1) ourselves abandoning a useful critical ally and 2) falling into a "holier than thou" kind of mind set, about which I wonder at a time when moralisms of all kinds are impacting all manners of women negatively. The creation of hierarchies of fem. ("good" vs. "bad" fem.) seems a kind of distraction at a time when intersectional thinking is most needed. Anyway, my original question as to how to get to the bottom of a definition of what constitutes the material/the matter in mat. fem. still stands, positively impacted by Nancy's queries as to the relationship betw. ideology and discourse and the notion of a fem. epistemology as it concerns mat. fem. That is, what is it that we are trying to say that we know when we say we know about either "gender ideology," "cultural discourses" about gender or women, or the transformation of women's social and political realities, for that matter? What is the status of our "data" in any of these categories? Are we willing to accept some of the standard definitions of "evidence," i.e. that facts do not have any status as evidence until we have a thesis about them? Here the so-called post-struct. intevention about the constructedness of discourse would in fact help us, I think. Anyway, are there some fem. philosophers/epistemology scholars out there on this list. Could we start with some theses about epistemology in general and then also some of the recent work on fem. epistemology, and then gradually work our way into questions about "data for whom?" or "evidence for whom?" (which I think might address some of Sara's reservations about Hennessey's concept of "social totalities." Jane O. Newman, UC Irvine On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Dana Cloud wrote: > > For those interested in materialist feminism, Teresa Ebert's new book > _Ludic Feminism and After_ might be a good supplement to Hennessy. It is > an expansion of her essay that appeared in Cultural Critique a while > back. I am interested in this conversation, too, as it seems to me that > many post-structuralist feminisms have abandoned the project of social > transformation that materially (economically, physically--addressing > questions of need and security) benefits women, in favor of textualist > strategies that end up only transforming the meanings of words or > celebrating gender-bending performances. A lot of this work, I think, is > pessimistic about the possibility of naming and/or altering the social > totality (a word that is out of fashion). Ebert's book makes some of > these arguments at greater length. > > I am glad for the presence of this discussion here! > > Best, > Dana Cloud > University of Texas > From h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au Mon Sep 11 20:07:33 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:11:28 +0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au (Helena ) Subject: Re: Hennessy's book Dear Nancy, I am just sending you a brief reply to let you know that I am still here. Re your question on ideology - I also have many questions on this issue - and would welcome the opportunity to discuss it. I too am trying to develop a mat fem frame so that I can engage with the work of contemporary Aboriginal women performers (theatre) in Australia - I feel it is crucial to my project that my understanding/critical engagement with mat fem be clearly established as I intend to use it as my framework - positionality - in order to converse/theorise about/interrogate and appreciate the works of the Aboriginal women I am researching. Perhaps others on the list who have expressed interest in this discussion have something to say on the issue of ideology? xxxhelena >Jane, Sara, Helena, et al. > >I would like to add another question to the discussion of Hennessy's >book -- one that may be more specific than the ones already posed. She >argues for revaluing of "ideology" and differentiates her analysis >from Foucault's notion of discourse. In some ways, Landry and MacLean >also attempt to reposition "hegemony" in their rendition of materialist >feminism. A broader way to recast this issue may be in terms of the legacy of >socialist feminism thought in contemporary casting of materialist >feminism. What is the postmodern intervention and how can it be >reconciled with socialist feminist influences as Landry and MacLean >attempt to do? > >A related issue that I am grappling with is how materialist feminisms (as >I see a number of different stands already posed) influence how we >approach different texts and different fields -- i.e. what is the >epistemology of feminist materialist methodology? I would be especially >interested in hearing from anyone who views ethnographic work through a >materialist feminist lens. > >Nancy A. Naples >Assistant Professor of Sociology and Women's Studies >University of California, Irvine >Irvine, California 92717 >714-824-5749 (office phone) >714-824-4717 (fax) > > > From h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au Mon Sep 11 21:15:09 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:19:07 +0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au (Helena ) Subject: Re: Hennessy's book Dear Martha, Thank you for offering to coordinate our efforts. I hope we can achieve a discussion and sustain it. I am certainly willing and very keen and believe that our discussion could stimulate exciting developments in mat fem thought. Should we start with the first chapter - is anyone willing to suggest/put forward questions as elizabeth Bounds suggests? Or what about Vera's suggestion that she read and comment on chapter one? Or should we start with the article/or just read the article privately to inform us of Hennessy's revised position (slightly) For anyone who doesn't know about the book details follow: Hennessy Rosemary 1993. Materialist Feminism and the Politics of Discourse. Routledge NY/London yours in excitement helena xxx >I believe Linda's suggestion makes sense; we could discuss an article >first. But I would like to suggest that we make a commitment to read the >book and discuss it here, in MATFEM. Perhaps three or four of us could >agree to read it by a given date and present some of our questions, >comments, understandings, probable applications to our fields and current >research, etc. > >I believe that if a core group of readers from different disciplines were >to make this commitment to get a systematic discussion started around the >book and the more general issues of what is materialist feminist theory, >epistemology and methodology, we could produce, collectively, a very >important intellectual resource. Needless to say, Rosemary's >participation would make the project even more attractive and I hope she >has the time to join us in our discussions. > >Just to start the process, let me suggest that we get organized and begin >a discussion of the book by mid-November. I am willing to coordinate our >efforts. This is only a suggestion and if anyone has alternative views >about how to do this within a reasonable time frame and in a way that is >helpful to everyone, please present them to MATFEM. > >cordially, > >Martha E. Gimenez >Gimenez@csf.colorado.edu >_______________________________ > >Department of Sociology >Campus Box 327 >University of Colorado at Boulder >Boulder, Colorado 80309 >Voice: 303-492-7080 >Fax: 303-492-5105 > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 11:44:13 -0400 (EDT) >From: Linda Lopez McAlister >To: MATERIALIST FEMINIST >Subject: Re: Hennessy's book > >I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more manageable to have a discussion of an >article by Hennessey that appeared in HYPATIA and is a slightly revised version >of a section of her book than it is to try to discuss the whole book here, when >many people haven't yet read the book. That article, Women's Lives/Feminist >Knowledge: Feminist Standpoint as Ideology Critique, appeared in HYPATIA 8(1), >Winter 1993, and could be read in a fairly short period of time. I think most >university libraries now subscribe to Hypatia. If not you can order a copy of >that issue from Indiana University Press 1-800-842-6796. > >Linda Lopez McAlister >Department of Women's Studies >University of South Florida >Tampa, FL 33620 >(813) 974-5531 > > > > > > From rch3d@darwin.clas.virginia.edu Tue Sep 12 07:19:42 1995 From: Rebecca Charlotte Hyman Subject: Re: Hennessy's book To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Dana Cloud" at Sep 11, 95 09:46:02 am I also vote for the article and book, and then the Ebert. I've ordered the Ebert but haven't recieved it yet, so I'm not sure it has been "officially" published. I read Materialist Feminism two years ago and thought it was terrific and am very willing to reread it. I think it would be very profitable to discuss the book chapter by chapter, as the beginning covers theoretical history that informs her later analysis. I think if we try to talk about it as a whole first, too many issues could be raised at once. Why don't we set some group deadlines--say read the article by Oct 1, and then the book by Nov 15th, as was suggested earlier? What do other people think? Rebecca Hyman University of Virginia From jnewman@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu Tue Sep 12 10:49:52 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:54:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jane O. Newman" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Hennessy's book Let's start with the article. It's more manageable. Jane On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Helena wrote: > Dear Martha, > > Thank you for offering to coordinate our efforts. I hope we can achieve a > discussion and sustain it. I am certainly willing and very keen and believe > that our discussion could stimulate exciting developments in mat fem thought. > > Should we start with the first chapter - is anyone willing to suggest/put > forward questions as elizabeth Bounds suggests? Or what about Vera's > suggestion that she read and comment on chapter one? Or should we start with > the article/or just read the article privately to inform us of Hennessy's > revised position (slightly) > > For anyone who doesn't know about the book details follow: Hennessy > Rosemary 1993. Materialist Feminism and the Politics of Discourse. > Routledge NY/London > > > yours in excitement > helena xxx > > >I believe Linda's suggestion makes sense; we could discuss an article > >first. But I would like to suggest that we make a commitment to read the > >book and discuss it here, in MATFEM. Perhaps three or four of us could > >agree to read it by a given date and present some of our questions, > >comments, understandings, probable applications to our fields and current > >research, etc. > > > >I believe that if a core group of readers from different disciplines were > >to make this commitment to get a systematic discussion started around the > >book and the more general issues of what is materialist feminist theory, > >epistemology and methodology, we could produce, collectively, a very > >important intellectual resource. Needless to say, Rosemary's > >participation would make the project even more attractive and I hope she > >has the time to join us in our discussions. > > > >Just to start the process, let me suggest that we get organized and begin > >a discussion of the book by mid-November. I am willing to coordinate our > >efforts. This is only a suggestion and if anyone has alternative views > >about how to do this within a reasonable time frame and in a way that is > >helpful to everyone, please present them to MATFEM. > > > >cordially, > > > >Martha E. Gimenez > >Gimenez@csf.colorado.edu > >_______________________________ > > > >Department of Sociology > >Campus Box 327 > >University of Colorado at Boulder > >Boulder, Colorado 80309 > >Voice: 303-492-7080 > >Fax: 303-492-5105 > > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 11:44:13 -0400 (EDT) > >From: Linda Lopez McAlister > >To: MATERIALIST FEMINIST > >Subject: Re: Hennessy's book > > > >I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more manageable to have a discussion of an > >article by Hennessey that appeared in HYPATIA and is a slightly revised version > >of a section of her book than it is to try to discuss the whole book here, when > >many people haven't yet read the book. That article, Women's Lives/Feminist > >Knowledge: Feminist Standpoint as Ideology Critique, appeared in HYPATIA 8(1), > >Winter 1993, and could be read in a fairly short period of time. I think most > >university libraries now subscribe to Hypatia. If not you can order a copy of > >that issue from Indiana University Press 1-800-842-6796. > > > >Linda Lopez McAlister > >Department of Women's Studies > >University of South Florida > >Tampa, FL 33620 > >(813) 974-5531 > > > > > > > > > > > > > From chouinar@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA Tue Sep 12 11:19:24 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:24:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Vera Chouinard Subject: Re: Hennessy's book To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Greetings Martha, Helena and all! I too am very keen to participate in a cyberspace discussion of Hennessy's book--this could be the start of an exciting MatFem reading group! It strikes me that getting organized is, at this point, more important than exactly how we approach sharing ideas. We want to strike while our enthusiasm's high!! So, can we agree on a process and then ask Martha or someone else to draw up a timetable? I still like the idea of 1 or 2 people commenting on the various chapters as a way of sparking discussion--personally, I would find that more helpful way to start than a list of questions as it would give us a chance to compare our interpretations and develop questions on that basis. But I am quite prepared to adopt another strategy if people prefer. To get the ball rolling--I'd suggest the following: that we agree to make the journal article optional reading and concentrate on the book, that we decide on either a list of questions or taking turns commenting as a way to begin discussion, and that those who wish to participate then volunteer to either comment on or develop questions about specific chapters (I'll still volunteer for chapter 1). Once that's done we can draw up a schedule and get on to the fun stuff. Hope this helps!! Take care, Vera From chouinar@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA Tue Sep 12 11:37:42 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Vera Chouinard Subject: Re: Hennessy's book To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Greetings again all! Just after sending my last note I noticed that suggestions on how to proceed are still coming and diverging. Could I suggest that within the next day or two people 'vote' on the options and then Martha, if she is willing, could summarize results for us. As I understand it, we need to decide on the following 1) do we want to begin with the article or the book (I vote for the book). 2) should we kick off discussion by taking turns developing a list of questions on specific chapters, or by taking turns commenting on same (I vote for comments) or just wing it? 3) when do we want to start the discussion (I'd prefer mid- to late October as am still waiting for a copy of the book)? 4) can we have a volunteer to draw up a schedule and circulate it for approval? I think it is important that we decide these things quickly so we don't get bogged down in the logistics of this and can move quickly to discussion. Cheers, Vera From shy3y@darwin.clas.virginia.edu Tue Sep 12 14:24:04 1995 From: Suzanne Hamilton Young Subject: Re: Hennessy's book To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:28:59 -0400 (EDT) I'm with Rebecca. I think the idea of beginning with the Hennessey artiicle (by Oct 1) and then moving on to the book (chapter by chapter, beginning perhaps in early Nov?) and then moving to the Ebert (we'll see when?) is an excellent one. Now how do we go about determining if we have enough of a consensus to proceed? Suzanne Young shy3y@darwin.clas.virginia.edu From gimenez@csf.Colorado.EDU Tue Sep 12 14:49:28 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:49:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Martha Gimenez To: matfem@csf.Colorado.EDU Subject: Re: Hennessy's book I had composed this message, had to postpone it to go to a meeting and I found afterwards Vera's last message. Rather than rewriting the whole thing, I took into account her views at the end - the difference between her timetable and the one I suggest has to do with the time needed by those of us who have read neither the article nor the book and work under time constraints. ______________________ I believe we are ready to move forward with this proyect. In light of the comments and suggestions, I propose the following: October 1 We start the discussion of R. Hennessy's article "Women's Lives/Feminist Knowledge: Feminist Standpoint as Ideology Critique." HYPATIA 8 (1) Winter 1933. This article was Linda Lopez McAlister's suggestion. Perhaps Linda could introduce the article and moderate the discussion or, perhaps those of you who have read the article could coordinate with Linda a set of questions or problems we should consider in reading it. At the same time, all of us interested in discussing the book will start to read it in preparation for the formal discussion, which will start in mid-November. I have left so much time in between the article and the book because most of us have not yet read it and many of us may not even own a copy. We need time to get it, and read it with care in light of our own concerns and disciplines. Most or all of us are working full time and probably teaching, as in my case, courses unrelated to the book, so we need to make time for it. The idea to discuss it chapter by chapter, rather than as a whole, is excellent. Vera Chouinard offered to start the discussion; if someone else would like to work with her, her address is chouinar@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA We need volunteers for the other three chapters. I will volunteer for chapter 2: "The Materiality of Discourse: Feminism and Postmarxism." In her latest message, which I received while I was in the process of writing this one, Vera suggests that we skip the article altogether and start discussing the book earlier. I believe that reading and discussing the article first would prepare the ground, :-) and would give us time to those who haven't yet read the book a chance to read it well. So, summing up, this is a possible schedule: Oct. 1 - we start discussion of the article November 15 - We start chapter 1 of the book - We can tentatively allocate a week per chapter, maybe more, maybe less, depending on what happens. What do you think? If anyone has a different schedule or organization in mind, do bring it up. An interesting question is, how do we achieve closure? How do we get ready to start either the article or the book? Vera suggested a vote and I am willing to receive them and count them. cordially, Martha E. Gimenez gimenez@csf.colorado.edu From HYPATIA@CFRVM.CFR.USF.EDU Tue Sep 12 16:52:51 1995 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #12962) 12 Sep 1995 16:57:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 19:00:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Linda Lopez McAlister Subject: Re: Hennessy's book In-reply-to: note of 09/12/95 17:06 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Although the suggestion to discuss Hennessey's article did come from me, I won't be able to do as Martha suggests and lead the discussion of it beginning October 1. I leave at the end of this week for the International Association of Women Philosophers triennial conference in Vienna (and if I run true to form I'll still be working on my paper for the conference up until the day I have to present it, Sept. 20. Then my partner and I are taking the first real vacation we've been able to have together in several years and I won't be back to work until around the first, at which point I really need to get going on the work I'm SUPPOSED to be doing on my sabbatical. So if someone else would be willing to introduce the article and moderate the discussion or work together to propose a set of questions to consider while reading it, I'd appreciate it, because I can't do it, at least not on this timetable. Linda From Leanne.Blackley@anu.edu.au Tue Sep 12 17:38:23 1995 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:38:22 +0900 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: Leanne.Blackley@anu.edu.au (Leanne L Blackley) Subject: Re: Hennessy's book I am in the early stages of a PhD in which I hope to use a materialist feminist perspective. I am examining gender relations in the Australian labour movement ffrom the 1930s to the 1960s. I think the idea of a discussion on these matfem references is great. As I have neither the article or the book I believe the proposed timetable is the best option! Looking forward to hearing peoples views and comments! Leanne Blackley (Leanne.Blackley@anu.edu.au) From d_rodan@central.murdoch.edu.au Tue Sep 12 19:02:41 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:51:43 +0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: d_rodan@central.murdoch.edu.au (Debbie Rodan) Subject: Hennessy Book Hi list members I go along with Martha's and others who suggest starting with the article 'Women's Lives/Feminist Knowledge:Feminist Standpoint as Ideology Critique' in _Hypatia_ then move onto Chapter One in the book. I believe the article is a synopsis of chapter 3 in the book anyway? I have read the article, and chapter one and would be keen to raise some of the questions I had at the time. The time schedule Martha suggested would suit me. Regards Debbie Rodan From susanp@osprey.csrv.uidaho.edu Tue Sep 12 23:57:22 1995 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Palmer Susan Subject: Re: Hennessy's book To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: I am voting for the article first, since I KNOW that I can manage to read that in time. Otherwise, I will simply LURK. The energy is clearly ready to be harnessed! Susan *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | | | Susan Palmer Education Programming | | Phone: 208-885-6616 Coordinator | | FAX: 208-885-9494 Women's Center | | E-mail: susanp@osprey.csrv.uidaho.edu University of Idaho | | Alias: Auntie Nuke Moscow, Idaho 83844-1064 | | | | "People convinced against their will, hold the same opinion still" | | | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* From h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au Wed Sep 13 03:02:05 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:06:11 +0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au (Helena ) Subject: Re: Hennessy's book Dear Martha and everyone - from the sound of things it looks like Martha's timetable suits people. I am eager to get going and am volunteering myself and Debbie Rodan to work on chapter 4 of the book "New Woman, New History" - we both live in Perth Western Australia and are PhD students in Humanities at Murdoch University so we can easily meet and prepare etc So if Vera starts and we have volunteers for chapter 1 (Vera), chapter 2 (Martha) and chapter 4 (helena and Debbie) what about chapter three - the article is a revised version of chapter three (according to Hennessy in the notes to the article) so do we need to do it again? Is anyone volunteering to start on the article? thanks everyone xxxhelena That seems to leave only chapter one - has someone already volunteerd for it? >I had composed this message, had to postpone it to go to a meeting and I >found afterwards Vera's last message. Rather than rewriting the whole >thing, I took into account her views at the end - the difference between >her timetable and the one I suggest has to do with the time needed by >those of us who have read neither the article nor the book and work under >time constraints. >______________________ > >I believe we are ready to move forward with this proyect. In light of the >comments and suggestions, I propose the following: > >October 1 We start the discussion of R. Hennessy's article "Women's >Lives/Feminist Knowledge: Feminist Standpoint as Ideology Critique." >HYPATIA 8 (1) Winter 1933. This article was Linda Lopez McAlister's >suggestion. Perhaps Linda could introduce the article and moderate the >discussion or, perhaps those of you who have read the article could >coordinate with Linda a set of questions or problems we should consider >in reading it. > >At the same time, all of us interested in discussing the book will start >to read it in preparation for the formal discussion, which will start in >mid-November. I have left so much time in between the article and the >book because most of us have not yet read it and many of us may not even >own a copy. We need time to get it, and read it with care in light of our >own concerns and disciplines. Most or all of us are working full time and >probably teaching, as in my case, courses unrelated to the book, so we >need to make time for it. > >The idea to discuss it chapter by chapter, rather than as a whole, is >excellent. Vera Chouinard offered to start the discussion; if someone >else would like to work with her, her address is > chouinar@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA > >We need volunteers for the other three chapters. I will volunteer for >chapter 2: "The Materiality of Discourse: Feminism and Postmarxism." > >In her latest message, which I received while I was in the process of >writing this one, Vera suggests that we skip the article altogether and >start discussing the book earlier. I believe that reading and discussing the >article first would prepare the ground, :-) and would give us time to >those who haven't yet read the book a chance to read it well. > >So, summing up, this is a possible schedule: > >Oct. 1 - we start discussion of the article > >November 15 - We start chapter 1 of the book - > >We can tentatively allocate a week per chapter, maybe more, maybe less, >depending on what happens. > >What do you think? If anyone has a different schedule or organization in >mind, do bring it up. An interesting question is, how do we achieve >closure? How do we get ready to start either the article or the book? >Vera suggested a vote and I am willing to receive them and count them. > >cordially, > >Martha E. Gimenez >gimenez@csf.colorado.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au Wed Sep 13 03:09:38 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:13:36 +0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au (Helena ) Subject: the reading group Hi everyone, About the reading group - It seems we have volunteers for chapter 1 (vera), chapter 2 (martha), and myself and Debbie Rodan volunteer for chapter 4, "New Woman, New History" - Debbie and I live in Perth Western Australia and are PhD students at Murdoch University - Humanities Dept - so we can get together regularly and discuss our approach and proposed questions. That seems to leave chapter 3 - Rosemary Hennessy in the Hypatia article says that the article is a revised version of chapter three so if we are starting with it (as Martha has suggested and I agree) then do we need to re-do it? The other issues is - who is going to volunteer to start on the article for our October 1 deadline? Looking forward to starting xxxhelena From soa00@cc.keele.ac.uk Wed Sep 13 07:34:20 1995 From: "J. Van Every" Subject: Re: Hennessy's book To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:38:06 +0100 (BST) The discussion (if we ever stop discussing whether or not to have it and get on with it) looks potentially v. interesting. If the decision is the book, I think doing it a chapter at a time would be better. I'm sure many of us can commit ourselves to reading a chapter by a specified date (and trying to have something to say about it) but coming to grips with a whole book may be a bit daunting especially given the time pressure so many of us are under. A plea, though, regarding the format of postings: PLEASE do not copy the message you are replying to. This takes up loads of space and many of us have already read it. If you need to refer to a specific point someone made than make the effort to delete the rest of the message. Thanks. Jo VanEvery Dept. of Cultural Studies Birmingham University (e-mail to change soon...) From kschmelz@mondec.monmouth.edu Wed Sep 13 07:48:18 1995 From: kschmelz@mondec.monmouth.edu (Karen Schmelzkopf) Subject: digest form To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 9:54:47 EDT In-Reply-To: <26997.199509131338@potter.cc.keele.ac.uk>; from "J. Van Every" at Sep 13, 95 2:38 pm Is it possible to get a digest form of the group, and also, having read Hennessey's book, I'd like to discuss that version as well, but not if it means excluding potential participants. Karen <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Karen Schmelzkopf Dept. of Political Science Monmouth University West Long Branch, NJ 07764 (908) 571-4473 kschmelz@mondec.monmouth.edu fax: (908) 571-7576 "Life without stories isn't worth living." Wim Wenders, "Der Stand der Dinge," 1981. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From gimenez@csf.Colorado.EDU Wed Sep 13 08:58:28 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 08:58:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Martha Gimenez To: matfem@csf.Colorado.EDU Subject: Digest Form It is possible to get MATFEM in digest form. Send mail to LISTPROC@csf.colorado.edu in the message proper write SET MATFEM MAIL DIGEST bureaucratically yours, :-) Martha \||/ oo BOULDER ooO\/Ooo COLORADO * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Martha E. Gimenez * * e-mail: gimenez@csf.colorado.edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From avri@ids.net Wed Sep 13 09:41:08 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:41:07 -0600 Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:46:03 -0400 (EDT) To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: avri@ids.net (avri doria) Subject: Re: Hennessey's book Does anyone know if the article is available on a server anywhere? I may be the only non academic lurking on this list, but i do not have ready access to an academic library. i am definately interested in working through the book, and would like to read the article also. thanks a. From chouinar@mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA Wed Sep 13 13:06:37 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:11:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Vera Chouinard Subject: Re: Hennessy's book To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu In-Reply-To: Greetings all! It's great to see us moving toward actual discussions of Hennessy's work! My reading of the messages to date is that we want to begin with the article and Martha's proposed schedule seems workable. We still need a volunteer to start discussion of the article as Linda is unable to. Martha has kindly offered to keep track of peoples' preferences on organizational matters and I suggest that she do so over the next 2-3 working days, after which we 'close' this particular discussion and finalize the schedule etc.. It would also be helpful if Martha or someone else would keep track of who's volunteered to work on particular chapters and perhaps remind the volunteers when their 'due date is approaching. Any volunteers? I'm really looking forward to sharing thoughts with all of you! Take care, Vera From amagatha@mailbox.syr.edu Wed Sep 13 13:30:09 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 15:34:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Anna M. Agathangelou" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Hennessy's book In-Reply-To: Greetings all! My name is Anna Agathangelou and I will be willing to start discussion of the article. I have read the book long time ago and I am willing to read the article by beginning of October and start the discussion. Thanks-- Anna Agathangelou 100 Eggers Hall Department of Political Science Syracuse University Syracuse, NY 13244 Tel: (315) 443-2238 Fax: (315) 443-9082 On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Vera Chouinard wrote: > Greetings all! It's great to see us moving toward actual discussions of > Hennessy's work! My reading of the messages to date is that we want to > begin with the article and Martha's proposed schedule seems workable. > We still need a volunteer to start discussion of the article as Linda is > unable to. Martha has kindly offered to keep track of peoples' > preferences on organizational matters and I suggest that she do so over > the next 2-3 working days, after which we 'close' this particular > discussion and finalize the schedule etc.. It would also be helpful if > Martha or someone else would keep track of who's volunteered to work on > particular chapters and perhaps remind the volunteers when their 'due > date is approaching. Any volunteers? > > I'm really looking forward to sharing thoughts with all of you! Take > care, Vera > From ferguson@philos.umass.edu Wed Sep 13 16:50:34 1995 by pobox.oit.umass.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #6523) id <01HV8KQCH6S0004EG6@pobox.oit.umass.edu> for matfem@csf.colorado.edu; Wed, Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:55:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Ann Ferguson Subject: Re: Hennessy's book In-reply-to: To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu 9/13 Count me in on the Hennessey discussion: I've read the book and the article, but would like to discuss it with others. It's good to start with the article because it addresses Nancy Naple's question about how Hennessy's epistemology is different from Foucault's, the "ideology" vs. "power/knowledges" discourse position, etc. and how all this connects to a socialist-feminist epistemology. Hennessy has an interesting feminist epistemological standpoint position which still wants to accept what appears to me to be an Althusserian type view about how discourses/ideologies are interpellated by historical subjects implicated in them. My question is, is this a consistent position? Or isnt this a fair reading of her view? But we can wait to discuss this if you want to talk further about the organization of the discussion decision. Looking forward to the discussion with some friends (hi, Nancy and Sara!) and getting to know some others! Best, Ann Ferguson, director, Womens Studies, Philosophy, UMass/Amherst ferguson@philos.umass.edu From gimenez@csf.Colorado.EDU Wed Sep 13 18:41:35 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:41:34 -0600 (MDT) From: Martha Gimenez To: matfem@csf.Colorado.EDU Subject: Study/Discussion Group Ready Our discussion has been very productive and I believe we are ready to proceed. I have set up the following schedule. It is flexible, but will get us started. October 1 Anna Agathangelou has kindly offer to start the discussion of the article. We can all read (or reread, as the case might be) both the article and Chapter 3, for I understand the article is a revised version of that chapter. November 8 Vera Chouinard will start discussion of Chapter 1. November 22 Martha Gimenez will start discussion of Chapter 2. This is right before Thanksgiving, so I imagine we who live in the United States might get a bit distracted for this is a demanding holiday, especially for those of us who will give a lot of our surplus domestic labor to cook the dinner :-) December 4 Helena Grehan and Debbie Chouinard will start discussion of chapter 4. I took the liberty of advancing one week the beginning of our book discussion because otherwise we would find ourselves deeply involved in it at the time the teaching comes to an end and exams begin. Those dates are not written in stone and, depending on how the conversation develops, we may advance quickly or take more time than anticipated. I do look forward to the first of our many future dialogues. Martha E. Gimenez gimenez@csf.colorado.edu From h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au Wed Sep 13 21:16:10 1995 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:19:42 +0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: h_grehan@central.murdoch.edu.au (Helena ) Subject: lets go Hi everyone, I can't wait to start - just a tiny point though - Debbbie who is doing chapter 4 with me is Debbie Rodan ... We are looking forward to our contribution. xxxxxhelena From gimenez@csf.Colorado.EDU Wed Sep 13 21:54:39 1995 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:54:37 -0600 (MDT) From: Martha Gimenez To: matfem@csf.Colorado.EDU Subject: lets go (fwd) My apologies for the mistake - I guess I was in a hurry to get us started :-) Martha _________________________________ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 11:19:42 +0800 From: Helena To: MATERIALIST FEMINIST Subject: lets go Hi everyone, I can't wait to start - just a tiny point though - Debbbie who is doing chapter 4 with me is Debbie Rodan ... We are looking forward to our contribution. xxxxxhelena From willis@vax1.elon.edu Thu Sep 14 04:47:45 1995 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 05:00:37 EST From: Lucindy Willis To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: RE: Study/Discussion Group Ready I have missed the last couple of weeks. Could someone send me the title of the book that will be discussed in October and November? Thanks Lucindy Willis From jamshid@newmedium.com Thu Sep 14 14:55:28 1995 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 16:34:19 PDT From: jamshid@newmedium.com Subject: Feminist Majority Online -- New Service To: broadcast@newmedium.com The Feminist Majority Online -- http://www.feminist.org In the two weeks we have been up, the Feminist Majority Online has received over 50,000 hits, been named Best Non-Profit Women's Site for 1995, added hundreds of entries to our Feminist Faculty Network, and received many messages of support and encouragement. Thanks to all who have visited and helped to spread the word, as well as provide suggestions for further improving the site. One of the most common requests was that we make it easier for interested users to be informed of major additions to this large site, such as this week's detailed table of women's issues mailing lists. In addition, many users expressed a desire to stay informed on key issues. Thus, the Feminist Majority Online would like to announce a new, important expansion of our commitment to using the Internet to fight for women's equality. Beginning immediately, we invite you to join our Feminist Alert Network. We have set it up as an informational mailing list -- to subscribe, send an email message to: majordomo@feminist.org with "subscribe fem-alert" in the message body. Alternately, you can sign up directly on our site, at http://www.feminist.org/action/femalert.html. While there, be sure to take a look at our Field Notes From Beijing, as mentioned in today's Washington Post. Thanks for all your support; The Feminist Majority Online New Media Publishing From smolden@umich.edu Thu Sep 14 16:26:06 1995 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:30:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Sarah Moldenhauer To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: RE: Study/Discussion Group Ready In-Reply-To: <009965E7.7EEAD3E0.25@vax1.elon.edu> I would like to be removed from the matfem email group for the time being. I thank you for the opportunity but I am being swamped with messages and have no time to get to them right now. My email address is smolden@umich.edu. Thank you. --Sarah Moldenhauer From jnewman@benfranklin.hnet.uci.edu Thu Sep 14 21:50:46 1995 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:55:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jane O. Newman" To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Re: Study/Discussion Group Ready In-Reply-To: Sounds like a good timetable to me. Jane O. Newman From gimenez@csf.Colorado.EDU Sun Sep 17 11:21:48 1995 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 11:21:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Martha Gimenez To: matfem@csf.Colorado.EDU Subject: World Bank and Women's Rights I have created a new directory for MatFem called Articles, where I have placed an article called "The World Bank Derogates Women's Rights," by Michel Chossudowsky. You can find it using gopher csf.colorado.edu Locate Feminist/ and within that directory you will find MatFem and its archives. cordially, Martha E. Gimenez _______________________ Department of Sociology Campus Box 327 University of Colorado at Boulder Boulder, Colorado 80309 Voice: 303-492-7080 Fax: 303-492-5105 From gimenez@csf.Colorado.EDU Wed Sep 20 13:09:56 1995 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 13:09:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Martha Gimenez To: matfem@csf.Colorado.EDU Subject: R. Hennessy's paper I have placed Rosemary Hennessy's "Women's Lives/Women's Knowledge: Feminist Standpoint as Ideology Critique," the article we will start discussing October 1, in the directory called Articles, in the MatFem archives. You can find it using gopher csf.colorado.edu Locate Feminist/ and within that directory you will find MatFem and its archives. You can then mail it to yourself. Another way to retrieve it is by sending mail to LISTPROC@csf.colorado.edu in the message proper write get matfem womens-lives-womens-knowledge.rhennessy95 do not change anything and it will work. cordially, Martha E. Gimenez _______________________ Department of Sociology Campus Box 327 University of Colorado at Boulder Boulder, Colorado 80309 Voice: 303-492-7080 Fax: 303-492-5105 From gimenez@csf.Colorado.EDU Thu Sep 21 08:07:08 1995 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 08:07:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Martha Gimenez To: matfem@csf.Colorado.EDU Subject: R. Hennessy's paper (fwd) I made a mistake in my instructions to retrieve Rosemary's paper from the archives through email. To do so send mail to LISTPROC@csf.colorado.edu in the message proper write get matfem womens-lives-feminist-knowledge.rhennessy95 A thousand apologies and many thanks to Judith Winter, who call my attention to the problem. cordially, Martha E. Gimenez _______________________ Department of Sociology Campus Box 327 University of Colorado at Boulder Boulder, Colorado 80309 Voice: 303-492-7080 Fax: 303-492-5105 From hmerrick@uniwa.uwa.edu.au Thu Sep 28 23:09:32 1995 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:08:09 +0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: hmerrick@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Helen Merrick) Subject: new journal : Limina I am part of the editorial collective of Limina, and thought the group might be interested in some of the articles, particularly the interviews with feminist historians reflecting on their life and work. We hope to have such interviews in every issue; if you have any suggestions for women who would be interested in being interviewed, or indeed wuold like to submit other work for publication (particularly if you are a postgrad) please contact us! ANNOUNCING THE ARRIVAL OF LIMINA A NEW JOURNAL OF HISTORY AND CULTURAL STUDIES LIMINA was created to encourage innovative work and to offer a forum for discussion and debate. Produced by a student collective in the History Department at the University of Western Australia, LIMINA has a special interest in publishing articles and other writing by postgraduates. We aim to present studies engaging with a wide range of theoretical approaches, cultural perspectives and historical periods. Contributions to the second issue of LIMINA are invited. Closing date for submissions is 1 November 1995. LIMINA vol. 1, no. 1 includes: Spirituality and the Self: Phyllis Mack, of Rutgers University and author of _Visionary Women_, answered our questions on making history LIMINA Interview: widely-respected feminist historian, Professor Trish Crawford, talked about her experiences and issues facing postgraduates . Queer Sisters: The Politics of Fag Haggery by Vanessa Evangelista and Tara Brabazon Desire and the (Re)-Presentation of the Lesbian Body in History by Victoria Burrows 'She was ravished against her will, what so ever she say': Female Consent in Rape and Ravishment in late-medieval England by Emma Hawkes The Academic Menu: Some Thoughts on the Women's History Network Dinner, September 1994 by Katharine Massam To obtain your copy of LIMINA send a cheque or money order for A$10.00 within Australia, or A$15.00 if overseas, (includes postage and packaging) with your name and postal address to LIMINA, c/- Department of History, University of Western Australia, Nedlands, WA, 6009. For contributions, correspondence or inquiries, the LIMINA collective can be contacted at the above address, by phone on (09) 380 2148, by fax on (09) 380 1069 or by emailing limina-l@uniwa.uwa.edu.au Further information about LIMINA can be obtained from the web site http://www.library.uwa.edu au/libweb/w_sch/limina/limina.html Helen Merrick Department of History University of Western Australia Nedlands 6009 W.A. fax: (09) 380 1069 E-mail: hmerrick@uniwa.uwa.edu.au Ph: (09) 380 2148 From hmerrick@uniwa.uwa.edu.au Fri Sep 29 01:46:26 1995 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:45:12 +0800 To: matfem@csf.colorado.edu From: hmerrick@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Helen Merrick) Subject: new journal : Limina I am part of the editorial collective of Limina, and thought the group might be interested in some of the articles, particularly the interviews with feminist historians reflecting on their life and work. We hope to have such interviews in every issue; if you have any suggestions for women who would be interested in being interviewed, or indeed wuold like to submit other work for publication (particularly if you are a postgrad) please contact us! ANNOUNCING THE ARRIVAL OF LIMINA A NEW JOURNAL OF HISTORY AND CULTURAL STUDIES LIMINA was created to encourage innovative work and to offer a forum for discussion and debate. Produced by a student collective in the History Department at the University of Western Australia, LIMINA has a special interest in publishing articles and other writing by postgraduates. We aim to present studies engaging with a wide range of theoretical approaches, cultural perspectives and historical periods. Contributions to the second issue of LIMINA are invited. Closing date for submissions is 1 November 1995. LIMINA vol. 1, no. 1 includes: Spirituality and the Self: Phyllis Mack, of Rutgers University and author of _Visionary Women_, answered our questions on making history LIMINA Interview: widely-respected feminist historian, Professor Trish Crawford, talked about her experiences and issues facing postgraduates . Queer Sisters: The Politics of Fag Haggery by Vanessa Evangelista and Tara Brabazon Desire and the (Re)-Presentation of the Lesbian Body in History by Victoria Burrows 'She was ravished against her will, what so ever she say': Female Consent in Rape and Ravishment in late-medieval England by Emma Hawkes The Academic Menu: Some Thoughts on the Women's History Network Dinner, September 1994 by Katharine Massam To obtain your copy of LIMINA send a cheque or money order for A$10.00 within Australia, or A$15.00 if overseas, (includes postage and packaging) with your name and postal address to LIMINA, c/- Department of History, University of Western Australia, Nedlands, WA, 6009. For contributions, correspondence or inquiries, the LIMINA collective can be contacted at the above address, by phone on (09) 380 2148, by fax on (09) 380 1069 or by emailing limina-l@uniwa.uwa.edu.au Further information about LIMINA can be obtained from the web site http://www.library.uwa.edu au/libweb/w_sch/limina/limina.html