From bfeldman@ucdavis.edu Tue Jan 7 19:19:43 1997 id SAA08943; Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:19:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 18:19:36 -0800 (PST) To: PPN@csf.colorado.edu From: Ben Feldman Subject: List Existance For the few days I have been on this list (PPN) I have recieved no mail and I was wondering if there is anyone else on this list. If so, please let me know. "And we must all bring Provisions." "Bring what?" "Things to eat." "Oh!" said Pooh happily. "I thought you said Provisions. I'll go and tell them." And he stumped off. -Winnie the Pooh Ben Feldman Davis High CA From jhanson@ilhawaii.net Tue Jan 7 19:34:57 1997 Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 16:27:06 -1000 To: From: Jay Hanson Subject: Re: List Existance Hi Ben, I am here. What would you like to talk about? Jay At 06:19 PM 1/7/97 -0800, you wrote: >For the few days I have been on this list (PPN) I have recieved no mail and >I was wondering if there is anyone else on this list. If so, please let me >know. > >"And we must all bring Provisions." >"Bring what?" >"Things to eat." >"Oh!" said Pooh happily. "I thought you said Provisions. I'll go and tell >them." And he stumped off. >-Winnie the Pooh > > >Ben Feldman >Davis High >CA > > > From marshall@marinelab.sarasota.fl.us Wed Jan 8 07:28:17 1997 (Linux Smail3.2 #1) id m0vhyzM-0011VFC; Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:28:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 09:28:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael J. Marshall" To: Jay Hanson Subject: Re: List Existance In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970107162701.0093f1a0@ilhawaii.net> Hi all, I am here too. Mike Marshall On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Jay Hanson wrote: > Hi Ben, > I am here. What would you like to talk about? > Jay > > At 06:19 PM 1/7/97 -0800, you wrote: > >For the few days I have been on this list (PPN) I have recieved no mail and > >I was wondering if there is anyone else on this list. If so, please let me > >know. > > > >"And we must all bring Provisions." > >"Bring what?" > >"Things to eat." > >"Oh!" said Pooh happily. "I thought you said Provisions. I'll go and tell > >them." And he stumped off. > >-Winnie the Pooh > > > > > >Ben Feldman > >Davis High > >CA > > > > > > > From ts730688@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Wed Jan 8 09:12:36 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Alan Smucker Subject: Re: List Existance In-Reply-To: Hi everyone. I forgot that I was even subscribed to this list but am also interested in getting a discussion going. I'm working on my master's thesis on rural-urban migration in Kenya and have an interest in mobility / demographic transition generally. I'd like to hear what everyone's interests are and what is of interest for this discussion. Cheers, Tom Tom Smucker Dept. of Geography 2 Andover Rd. C-11 Clippinger Labs Athens, OH 45701 Ohio University USA Day Ph: 614-593-1141 PH: 614-594-2097 FAX: 614-593-1139 On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Michael J. Marshall wrote: > Hi all, I am here too. Mike Marshall > > On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Jay Hanson wrote: > > > Hi Ben, > > I am here. What would you like to talk about? > > Jay > > > > At 06:19 PM 1/7/97 -0800, you wrote: > > >For the few days I have been on this list (PPN) I have recieved no mail and > > >I was wondering if there is anyone else on this list. If so, please let me > > >know. > > > > > >"And we must all bring Provisions." > > >"Bring what?" > > >"Things to eat." > > >"Oh!" said Pooh happily. "I thought you said Provisions. I'll go and tell > > >them." And he stumped off. > > >-Winnie the Pooh > > > > > > > > >Ben Feldman > > >Davis High > > >CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > From dbarrett@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Wed Jan 8 09:22:22 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:21:29 -0500 From: Deborah A Barrett To: Thomas Alan Smucker Subject: EXISTENCE In-Reply-To: If we are going to start a 'talk group' here, could we please change the subject heading to its proper spelling? Thank you, D. Barrett On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Thomas Alan Smucker wrote: > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) > From: Thomas Alan Smucker > To: PROGRESSIVE POPULATION NETWORK > Subject: Re: List Existance > > Hi everyone. > > I forgot that I was even subscribed to this list but am also interested in > getting a discussion going. I'm working on my master's thesis on > rural-urban migration in Kenya and have an interest in mobility / > demographic transition generally. I'd like to hear what everyone's > interests are and what is of interest for this discussion. > > Cheers, > > Tom > > Tom Smucker Dept. of Geography > 2 Andover Rd. C-11 Clippinger Labs > Athens, OH 45701 Ohio University > USA Day Ph: 614-593-1141 > > PH: 614-594-2097 > FAX: 614-593-1139 > > On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Michael J. Marshall wrote: > > > Hi all, I am here too. Mike Marshall > > > > On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Jay Hanson wrote: > > > > > Hi Ben, > > > I am here. What would you like to talk about? > > > Jay > > > > > > At 06:19 PM 1/7/97 -0800, you wrote: > > > >For the few days I have been on this list (PPN) I have recieved no mail and > > > >I was wondering if there is anyone else on this list. If so, please let me > > > >know. > > > > > > > >"And we must all bring Provisions." > > > >"Bring what?" > > > >"Things to eat." > > > >"Oh!" said Pooh happily. "I thought you said Provisions. I'll go and tell > > > >them." And he stumped off. > > > >-Winnie the Pooh > > > > > > > > > > > >Ben Feldman > > > >Davis High > > > >CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From carrigan@rastro.Colorado.EDU Wed Jan 8 12:32:36 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 12:32:32 -0700 (MST) From: Jackie Carrigan To: Thomas Alan Smucker Subject: Re: List Existance In-Reply-To: Hello All, It is nice to see this list reawakening. I am a grad student at University of Colorado at Boulder studying demography--particularly aging, health, and mortality. My dissertation focus has been on class differences in health behaviors in the U.S., which I am trying to understand using Marxist theory and modern consumer theories. Several of us here in Boulder who are interested in demographic issues started this list with the hopes of attracting others who would be interested in discussing new approaches to demography--new theories, new applications of old theories, new methods. A question for Thomas Smucker, What is it about the demographic transition that interests you? Can you tell us more about your research? Jackie Carrigan From bfeldman@ucdavis.edu Wed Jan 8 15:45:30 1997 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:45:26 -0800 (PST) To: PPN@csf.colorado.edu From: Ben Feldman Subject: Existence I feel that I should apologize for the improper method by which I went about this, as well as for misspelling existance. Having done that I can move on. I recieved a number of responses to my post, many indecating that they had recieved 1 or no messages. In subsrcibing to this list I was hoping to find information relating population density or growth with crime. I would be interested to know if anyone has any information of this nature. I would also be interested to hear peoples views regarding this subject. Politics: From the Greek "poly" meaning many, and ticks, meaning small, annoying bloodsuckers Ben Feldman Davis High CA From donchism@io.org Wed Jan 8 17:02:27 1997 Date: Wed, 08 Jan 1997 19:04:22 -0500 To: From: Don Chisholm Subject: Re: List Existance Evidently, we are not alone. And it's been so peaceful here! Don Chisholm >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:19:03 -0500 (EST) >Reply-To: ts730688@oak.cats.ohiou.edu >Sender: owner-ppn@csf.colorado.edu >From: Thomas Alan Smucker >To: PROGRESSIVE POPULATION NETWORK >Subject: Re: List Existance >X-Cc: PROGRESSIVE POPULATION NETWORK >X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CREN > >Hi everyone. > >I forgot that I was even subscribed to this list but am also interested in >getting a discussion going. I'm working on my master's thesis on >rural-urban migration in Kenya and have an interest in mobility / >demographic transition generally. I'd like to hear what everyone's >interests are and what is of interest for this discussion. > >Cheers, > >Tom > >Tom Smucker Dept. of Geography >2 Andover Rd. C-11 Clippinger Labs >Athens, OH 45701 Ohio University >USA Day Ph: 614-593-1141 > >PH: 614-594-2097 >FAX: 614-593-1139 > >On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Michael J. Marshall wrote: > >> Hi all, I am here too. Mike Marshall >> >> On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, Jay Hanson wrote: >> >> > Hi Ben, >> > I am here. What would you like to talk about? >> > Jay >> > >> > At 06:19 PM 1/7/97 -0800, you wrote: >> > >For the few days I have been on this list (PPN) I have recieved no mail and >> > >I was wondering if there is anyone else on this list. If so, please let me >> > >know. >> > > >> > >"And we must all bring Provisions." >> > >"Bring what?" >> > >"Things to eat." >> > >"Oh!" said Pooh happily. "I thought you said Provisions. I'll go and tell >> > >them." And he stumped off. >> > >-Winnie the Pooh >> > > >> > > >> > >Ben Feldman >> > >Davis High >> > >CA >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > Fran Donaldson & Don Chisholm 416 484 6225 fax 484 0841 email donchism@io.org ***** and the Gaia Preservation Coalition (GPC) www.io.org/~gaiapc "Survival through Conscious Evolution" From donchism@io.org Fri Jan 10 04:53:50 1997 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 06:55:48 -0500 To: From: Don Chisholm Subject: Excess Population = Gaiacide and political unrest In response to: >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 14:45:26 -0800 (PST) >From: Ben Feldman > >In subsrcibing to this list I was hoping to find information relating >population density or growth with crime. I would be interested to know if >anyone has any information of this nature. I would also be interested to >hear peoples views regarding this subject. A Univ. of Toronto Project on Environment, Population and Security has been ongoing for some time. The driver is Tad Homer Dixon who has been written up in Time Magazine, and sometimes briefs Bill Clinton and Al Gore on his views. This is a project of the U of T and the Am Assoc for Adv of Science, showing the relationship between population growth, ecological degradation and political instability. Addresses are: vdompka@aaas.org http://utl1.library.utoronto.ca/www/pcs/eps.htm Homer Dixon >Politics: From the Greek "poly" meaning many, >and ticks, meaning small, annoying bloodsuckers Your definition of politics sure fits the popular view. Too bad. >Ben Feldman >Davis High >CA > ////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Don Chisholm 416 484 6225 fax 484 0841 email donchism@io.org //\\ The Gaia Preservation Coalition (GPC) www.io.org/~gaiapc "Survival through Conscious Evolution" //\\ "There is an almost gravitational pull toward putting out of mind unpleasant facts. And our collective ability to face painful facts is no greater than our personal one. We tune out, we turn away, we avoid. Finally we forget, and forget we have forgotten. A lacuna hides the harsh truth." Daniel Goleman Ph.D in Psychology From ts730688@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Fri Jan 10 07:56:48 1997 Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:03:15 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Alan Smucker Reply-To: Thomas Alan Smucker To: PROGRESSIVE POPULATION NETWORK Subject: Re: List Existance In-Reply-To: My research focuses on the theory of change and response and the theory of multiphasic response proposed by Kingsley Davis and Dov Friedlander respectively. They're very similar. The basic idea is that rural populations can respond to rising density (or more accurately inability to absorb labor into agricultural production) through three mechanisms. The first has been called the demographic response, that of lowering fertility. The second is the economic-demographic response, out-migration. The third involves an economic reponse of expanding and/or intensifying cultivation. Friedlander added that there may be trade-offs between these three responses. For example, if there are few urban job opportunities and agriculture has been already intensified, we might expect to see a rapid fertility decline. The case of France is often cited as an example of this scenario. I'm trying to apply this framework to a district in Kenya that has a long history of male out-migration. All of this fits loosely into the demographic transition model framework. I was initially turned off by the rigidity of the demographic transition model because of some of its "modernizationist" (as opposed to dependency/neo-marxist) implications. However, I think it's undeniabe that there exist regularities in demographic change. Furthermore, I think the model can fit into a variety of structuralist and political-economy perspectives. Tom Tom Smucker Dept. of Geography 2 Andover Rd. C-11 Clippinger Labs Athens, OH 45701 Ohio University USA Day Ph: 614-593-1141 PH: 614-594-2097 FAX: 614-593-1139 From bfeldman@ucdavis.edu Sun Jan 19 21:43:05 1997 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 20:42:44 -0800 (PST) To: Tiguy@poboxes.com, bm1258@futura.net, gfreeman@student.djusd.k12.ca.us, jjsiegel@ucdavis.edu, rotten@yolo.k12.ca.us, PPN@csf.colorado.edu, sunshine@student.djusd.k12.ca.us, schmits@mo-net.com, alfoster@ucdavis.edu From: Ben Feldman My Homepage is Now up and Running, By going to: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6183/ you will reach the overpopulation section. If you are so inclined you can go to my debate page (with 97-98 stuff) by following the links. Thank You "History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives." - Abba Eban Ben Feldman Davis High CA http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/6183/