Return-Path: <@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU:wsn@CSF.COLORADO.EDU> Received: from JHUVM (NJE origin JHUSMTP@JHUVM) by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1702; Sun, 12 Sep 1993 03:08:32 -0400 Received: from csf.Colorado.EDU by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 12 Sep 93 03:08:30 EDT Received: from (localhos [127.0.0.1]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.5/8.5/CNS1.0) with SMTP id BAA04385; Sun, 12 Sep 1993 01:08:52 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1993 01:08:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199309120706.BAA04355@csf.Colorado.EDU> Errors-To: chriscd@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: P34D3611@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu Originator: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Sender: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Precedence: bulk From: Peter Grimes To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Electronic Journal (again) X-Listserver-Version: 6.0 -- UNIX ListServer by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: WORLD SYSTEMS NETWORK WSNers; I've been following the recent discussion of Chris's Journal proposal with interest, and wish to jump in with a few points. 1) The conflict between Timmons' & Terry's concerns (the former worrying about killing the spontaneity of our exchanges while not getting sufficient professional recognition for submissions to an electronic journal, the latter concerned that we would have difficulty maintaining sufficiently high standards) reflects a conflict of implicit models about what the role of an electronic journal should be. This conflict may be best resolved by explicating what we believe are the basic functions that an electronic journal should serve, and how such functions are similar to or different from journals in print. 2) I would suggest that we consider how the differences in media (paper vs E-mail) affect the content of submissions. Each medium has its advantages and disadvantages. It seems to me that the advantage of the print/paper medium is its PERMANENCE, its ability to be put on a shelf and SAVED, to be repeatedly consulted for quotations or statistics, etc. Given this quality of permanence, as well as the high production costs, a logical corollary is that issues be carefully edited so as to achieve the highest quality possible. Another corollary is that issues only come out a few times per year, and articles submitted take months to evaluate. E-mail, in contrast, is transitory and FAST. Once you type out an idea and send it, within minutes everyone has it. Reaction is also fast. Within 24 hours someone will have responded. While conversations can be downloaded and printed, the absence of the NECESSITY of printing (and mailing) means that there is a "real time" character of E-mail that must necessarily be absent from print journals. 3) It seems to me that the strength of WSN is precisely in its ability & capacity to be spontaneous--unlike printed media. So however we decide to go on the "Journal" question, I strongly believe that we should retain the WSN in its current anarchic format. Hence no journal should replace or displace WSN as it now is. 4) That being said, what could a journal offer that we don't already have? We already have a paper journal--REVIEW. We already have spontaneous exchanges--WSN. Looking over Chris' original proposal, I see that the main advantage he sees in having an (electronic) journal is the capacity to store, with the articles, data archives. Otherwise, he seems to be proposing a journal that would be refereed like REVIEW. I disagree with this idea, because it strikes me as imposing the worst aspects of a paper journal (editorial board, outside reviewers, time lag between submission & publication) on our fluid electronic medium without giving any real benefits to authors or readers. 5) These considerations lead me to suggest that instead of a refereed journal, we follow a version of Timmon's suggestion: (a) people could submit copies of their work--accompanied by data sets where appropriate--to the WSN archives, along with a posted abstract. (b) Those submitting would be responsible for taking appropriate care that their submissions were spell-checked, legible, etc. (We could post a set of simple rules guiding paper formats for this purpose.) (c) Submissions could also be sent to a paper journal should that be desired by the author(s). In this sense, the papers could be "working" papers--comments by WSN readers could serve to strengthen papers for later submission to more formal outlets. (This solves the credibility question--WSN would NOT be trying to compete w/paper journals, but instead to serve as a forum for discussion & improvement of papers.) (d) I would encourage us to explore connections with REVIEW and maybe other journals as well about exploring our archives for possible publications. (REVIEW would seem a natural partner in this enterprise.) (e) Finally, to enhance participation (addressing the problem of "giving a journal to which nobody came"), we might think of being more intentional about reading submissions--as we tried to do with Wagar. No-one reads all papers published in every issue of a paper journal, and I'm sure that many papers in our archives might also go unread. That cannot be controlled. But that would also be true of a print journal. But at least we could try to set aside time for exchanges between readers (& authors) about submissions. That's all for now. Peter Grimes [p34d3611@JHUVM]