From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Fri Dec 2 18:59:31 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Fri Dec 2 18:59:31 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id SAA09136 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 18:59:30 -0700 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ([128.220.2.5]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <541-9>; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:03:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:03:48 -0500 From: Christoph Chase-Dunn Subject: position available in progressive economics department (fwd) To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:07:43 -0500 From:VORST3@ccm.UManitoba.CA To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: position available in progressive economics department I draw your attention to the following job posting. Ours is a progressive department, probably the only one in Canada where students at all levels can receive competent instruction in all strands of economics, in particular Post-Keynesian and Marxian econimics. We are strong on labour, and our department provides core staffing to the Labour Studies programme (3- and 4-year degrees in Arts). Several members are active in progressive community organisations, incl. "CHO!CES: Coalition of Social Justice" which i.a. is the initiator of "alternative budgets" at the municipal, provincial and federal levels of government in Canada. Note that the official deadline is 31 December 1994. However, this university closes down during the period 21 December - 1 January. During that period you may want to contact John Loxley by e-mail: jloxley@ccm.umanitoba.ca Paul Phillips (phillps@ccm.umanitoba.ca -- -- note that the second "i" is dropped) is also on the hiring committee and can respond to your queries. While the university is open, you can also use the departmental fax number to connect with John Loxley: 204-261-0090. TEXT OF THE POSTING: The Department of Economics at the University of Manitoba invites applications for a full-time tenure track appointment at Assistant Professor rank in International Economic Integration. The appointment will begin on 1 July 1995 subject to budgetary approval. The successful candidate must have Ph.D. by the time of appointment in the field of International Economic Integration, or a related field, and have demonstrated competence in teaching (preferably International Trade, Macroeconomic Theory and/or Econometrics) and research. The 1994-95 salary range for Assistant Professors is $35,328-$62,509. Salary will be commensurate with experience and qualifications. Application, curriculum vitae, and three letters of reference should be sent to Professor John Loxley, Head, Department of Economics, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 2N2. Deadline for receipt of applications is 31 December 1994. The University of Manitoba encourages applications from qualified women and men, including members of visible minorities, Aboriginal people, and persons with disabilities. The University provides a smoke-free work environment save for specially designated areas. In accordance with Canadian Immigration requirements, this advertisement is directed to Canadian citizens and permanent residents. From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Fri Dec 2 19:16:30 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Fri Dec 2 19:16:29 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id TAA10258 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:16:28 -0700 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ([128.220.2.5]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <545-9>; Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:20:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:17:53 -0500 From: Christoph Chase-Dunn Subject: (Fwd) Crisis in Mexico (fwd) To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:47:54 -0800 Reply-to: Forum on Labor in the Global Economy From: D Shniad Subject: Crisis in Mexico X-To: Progressive Economists' Network , labor-l , iern-l To: Multiple recipients of list LABOR-L The Ad Hoc Committee to Prevent Civil War in Mexico #16 - 2137 West 1st Avenue, Vancouver, BC Phone: 604-737-2522 Fax: 604-251-9149 CRISIS IN CHIAPAS Cross-Canada Urgent Action Alert BACKGROUND Despite the lack of news from Mexico since the media furor over the Zapatista rebellion died down, the situation in Chiapas is critical. None of the underlying issues that generated the original rebellion have been addressed. And there are increasing indications that both the government and private land owners are becoming intransigent in their positions. There is danger of imminent civil war. Both national and community-based leaders in Mexico are asking people around the world who are sympathetic to their cause to mobilize public opinion in an effort to bring pressure to bear on the Mexican government. These leaders' goal is to reach a negotiated rather than a military settlement of the crisis. It is their view that the attention and concern of outside eyes, ears, hearts and minds is imperative to save lives. This is where the idea of a Canadian network comes in. Vancouver film maker Nettie Wild and Gitksan Wing Chief Art Loring recently travelled to central Mexico and to the southern state of Chiapas, where they met with the leadership of the EZLN army (the "Zapatistas") and with Rosario Ibarra, president of the the National Democratic Convention (CND). The CND was established in August in response to the Zapatistas' call for a legal, democratic movement to organize among the Mexican people -- campesinos, indigenous natives, industrial workers, intellectuals etc. The hope for a peaceful, democratic future for Mexico rests with the convention. Wild and Loring attended the second CND convention, where delegates from every state in Mexico were represented. On returning to Canada, they set about organizing the Ad Hoc Committee to Prevent Civil War in Mexico in response to the growing crisis. In a related development, a state-wide coalition of indigenous and campesino organizations known as CEOIC (Consejo Estatal de las Organizationes Indigenas y Campesinas -- State Council of Indigenous and Peasant Organizations) organized a march to San Cristobal on October 12. From 20,000 to 30,000 people are estimated to have participated. In the course of the march, CEOIC representatives announced that a decision had been made to establish transitional governments in nine regions of the state, comprised of autonomous, multi-ethnic regions of Indian peoples. Decclaring recent national and local elections fraudulent, CEOIC announced that as of October 12, neither water nor electricity bills nor general taxes will be paid to the official government, nor will loans to municipal, state or federal agencies be repaid until "governor-elect" Robledo Rincon resigns and opposition candidate Amado Avendano is recognized as the real winner of the election. (There is mounting evidence to suggest that the election which he won was indeed fraudulent.) It was also announced that, effective October 12, no representatives of the state or federal government will be permitted to enter the communities forming regional governments of transition. Only officials of the government of transition and representatives of the indigenous and campesino organizations will be permitted to travel freely. There are plans in the works to bring before the United Nations the issue of the repression that has been organized by the official government and the hired pistoleros of the landowners. It is the position of the CEOIC that the recovery of lands occupied by campesino organizations will be protected by the government in transition and by United Nations Convention 169, which guarantees the rights of indigenous peoples. This convention was ratified by the U.N. in 1991 and has been signed by Mexico. It stipulates the right of indigenous peoples to their culture and to their lands. At the end of November, CEOIC announced that it is organizing a march from locations across the state of Chiapas to Tuxtla Gutierrez, the capital city of Chiapas, with arrival set for December 8, the date when government-PRI candidate Robledo Rincon is scheduled to assume the office of governor in Chiapas. CEOIC's priority is to initiate fundamental constitutional change. Its position is that peace negotiations can be considered only in this context and that if there are no such negotiations there will be war, coordinated not by the EZLN but by the organizations of the people under the direction of the umbrella organization known as the State Democratic Assembly of Chiapas. The state Democratic Assembly of the Chiapas people, which includes CEOIC, the Movement for Civil Society, the State Convention of women and the regional PRD, have appeal for organizations to send observers to Chiapas to document the work of the Chiapas people's organizations, the savage repression of the people's resistance by the government and private armies, and the people's non- violent, civil insurrection. They are requesting that international delegates acquire credential status from their Transitional Government. They can be reached by telephone at 011-52-967-80738, in San Cristobal. When Wild and Chief Loring were in Mexico, the EZLN and CND president Ibarra raised many of the same points. They explained that one of the reasons there has not been massive government military repression of the Zapatista movement to date is that the Mexican government is reluctant to draw negative attention to the crisis in the country in the aftermath of the signing of NAFTA. While the government has downplayed the troubles in Chiapas, however, there has been a massive military buildup in the region. Recent weeks have witnessed a sharp increase in human rights violations. There is a widespread perception that because Chiapas has dropped out of the headlines, it has also dropped out of Canadian and American consciousness . There is a real fear that the absence of media attention will allow the military to mount more overtly repressive campaigns. On the ground throughout Mexico, people are afraid that war could easily break out in Chiapas and spread rapidly to other states such as Oaxaca and Guerrero. December 8 -- when Robledo Rincon is scheduled to take office -- is the key date. Popular based organizations warn that if Rincon takes power, there will be insurrection in the region which could take the form of widespread land occupations by campesinos and indigenous people. (Since the January 1st uprising there have been a number of scattered land takeovers.) The possiblity of a new and bigger wave of occupations could put civilians on the front line in the event of increased repression from the army or local vigilantes. The Zapatistas have said they will not fire the shot that breaks the ceasefire which is now in place, but they are likely to react if local people are fired upon. There is another wild card factor in this situation -- the "White Guards". In recent weeks, these armed vigilantes have combined with elements of the police, ranch owners and local thugs, to terrorize the campesino and indigenous populations who support the Zapatistas. HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS According to Brother Pablo Romo of the Human Rights Desk of Biship Ruiz's office in San Cristobal de las Casas, no fewer than 10 community leaders were killed in separate incidents between October 21and October 31. A November 12 report from COMPAZ (the Coalition of Non-Governmental Organizations for Peace in Chiapas) states that White Guards forcibly removed 1000 campesinos from lands occupied in the region of Palenque. A baby was killed in the course of these actions by the vigilantes. The campesinos insist that some of the lands which were the subject of the occupations had been granted them by the government. On the following day, the evicted campesinos responded to the violence by organizing a sit-in in the Palenque town square. On Wednesday, November 16, they were attacked by a group of 200 ranchers, state judicial police and local business-owners. A campesino leader was beaten and taken to the capital of Chiapas. One woman and four men were taken away by armed ranchers. They are still missing. On Monday, November 21, an urgent action alert from the Human Rights Center Fray Bartolome de las Casas written by Brother Romo stated that at 8 a.m., campesinos demonstrating against Robledo's fraudulent election had been stopped and harassed by state police on the road between the cities of Comitan and Tzimol. Four campesinos are gravely wounded in the incident. Ten are missing. On the same day, a noon demonstration was organized in San Cristobal de las Casas to protest against the seating of Robledo Rincon as governor on December 8. Provocateurs in the crowd created trouble. The police shot tear gas into the crowd and bullets were fired. Organizers insist that the provocateurs were not members of their organizations, which were intent on having a peaceful rally. DEMANDS In a November 23 letter from the Council of Canadians to Prime Minisher Chretien, co-chair Maude Barlow points out that "you promised when your government passed the NAFTA that it would not have any negative effect on humman rights." Based on that promise, we -- that is, the Ad Hoc Committee -- demand: a) That the Canadian government pressure the Mexican government to negotiate a peaceful solution to the crisis in Chiapas. There is increasing fear that the Mexican government will choose a military solution over a political one in the near future. b) That in the interests of peace, PRI Robledo Rincon not be allowed to take office as governor, that true and democratic elections be held, and in the meantime a transitional governor be installed. c) That the Mexican government respond to peoples' concerns about land reform, put an end to the eviction of small farmers and indigenous people from their lands, stop the abuse of human rights, investigate charges of electoral fraud, and reverse the increasing militarization of Chiapas. ACTIVITIES In response to the general situation in Chiapas and the news brought back by Wild and Loring, an ad hoc steering committee has been established in Vancouver. Our goal is to create a Canada-wide support network to respond to this growing crisis. We are co-ordinating our activities with other concerned individuals, groups and organizations across the country. Internationally, we are liasing with the Texas- based National Commission for Democracy in Mexico, USA, and the CND in Mexico City. If either you or your organization is interested in joining with us, please contact us as soon as possible. It is our goal to move quickly and forcefully in organizing a national response from native and non- native Canadians in an effort to save lives in Chiapas and elsewhere in Mexico. Tactics under consideration include: i) Fax and letter campaign ii) A media campaign focusing on getting the message out in the national TV, radio and press. iii) Demonstrations outside the Mexican embassy in Ottawa, co-ordinated with demonstrations in cities across Canada, targeting trade commission offices or airports where business people and tourists are heading for Mexico. iv) Lobbying prominent MPs to raise the question in the House of Parliament and in committees. vi) Broadening our umbrella to include labor, native, environmental, women's, anti-NAFTA organizations so that the message gains increased influence and credibility The following is a list of key politicians to contact on this matter: The Honourable Jean Chretien Prime Minister of Canada House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Fax: 613-995-0101 The Honourable Andre Ouellette Minister of Foreign Affairs House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Fax: 613-944-0699 The Honourable Roy MacLaren Minister for International Trade House of Commons Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6 Fax: 613-944-0699 Ernesto Zedillo, President of Mexico Residencia Oficial Los Pinos Puerta Central, 1er Piso Col. San Miguel Chapultepec Fax: 011-525-516-5762 and 515-4783 Ambassador Sandra Fuentes Mexican Embassy 1500 - 45 O'Connell Street Ottawa, Ontario K1P 1A4 Fax: 613-235-9123 Phone: 613-233-8988 Consulate General of Mexico 810 - 1130 Pender Street Vancouver, BC V6E 4A4 Fax: 684-2485 Phone: 684-3547 Trade Commission of Mexico 1365 - 200 Granville Street Vancouver, BC V6C 1S4 Fax: 682-1355 Phone: 682-3648 Mark Rupert Department of Political Science Syracuse University Syracuse, NY 13244-1090 (315) 443-1748 merupert@maxwell.syr.edu From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Sun Dec 4 13:20:42 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Sun Dec 4 13:20:42 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id NAA28641 for ; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 13:20:41 -0700 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ([128.220.2.5]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <846-7>; Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:32:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:32:18 -0500 From: Christoph Chase-Dunn Subject: Job Posting (fwd) To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 11:50:39 -0500 From: Michael_G.Schechter <21208MGR@MSU.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Job Posting International Relations/International Political Economy James Madison College of Michigan State University seeks candidates with demonstrated teaching promise for a 1-year non-renewable position to teach courses in International Relations, with a focus on International Political Economy. The successful candidate will teach 4 courses, 2 per semester. In the fall semester, which begins in late August, the candidate will teach a section of the first semester of the sophomore level introduction to International Relations (with a focus on International Relations theory and issues of international security) and a senior seminar in an area chosen by the candidate. In the Spring semester, which concludes in early May, two courses are to be taught. The focus then is the Politics of International Economic Relations. The introductory courses average about 35 students per section and the seminar will have 20 or fewer students. The position is designed to be appointed at the level of assistant professor. Women and minority candidates are strongly encouraged to apply. James Madison College is one of Michigan State University's principal programs in liberal education and its only residential college. Established in 1967 with an enrollment limited to 1,000 students, it strives to combine the ethos of a small, residential, liberal college with the advantages of a large diverse, research university. The curriculum provides liberal education in the social sciences with a focus on public affairs. It begins with two year-long first-year courses, one which integrates the teaching of writing and the study of the individual in society and another which introduces the study of American public life in comparative perspective. It culminates majors in International Relations, Political Economy, Political Theory, and Social Relations. The current faculty are trained in American studies, economics, English literature, history, political philosophy, political science, and sociology. The College is noted for high academic standards and attention to the anlytical, writing,and speaking skills of its students. Close student-faculty interaction and collegial cooperation characterize advising, curriculum planning and teaching. Applicants should send vitae, transcripts, letters of recommendation (addressing both teaching and research promise),and at least one sample of their best scholarship writing (e.g., dissertation chapter, conference paper, article) no later than January 20, 1995 to: Dean William B. Allen James Madison College Michigan State University 367 S. Case Hall East Lansing, MI 48825-1205 MSU is an Affirmative Action/ Equal Opportunity Institution From RROSS@vax.clarku.edu Mon Dec 5 11:56:36 MST 1994 >From RROSS@vax.clarku.edu Mon Dec 5 11:56:34 1994 Received: from JACK.clarku.edu (jack.clarku.edu [140.232.1.3]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id LAA15591; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 11:56:32 -0700 Received: from vax.clarku.edu by vax.clarku.edu (PMDF #12289) id <01HKAC8I0W4095ZH9L@vax.clarku.edu>; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:59 EST Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 13:59 EST From: "ROBERT J.S. (BOB) ROSS, CHAIR OF SOCIOLOGY" Subject: virus warning To: gross1@cc.swarthmore.edu, riross@umich.edu, mkesselman@delphi.com, DOGBRETH@ATHENA.MIT.EDU, psn@csf.colorado.edu, wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-id: <01HKAC8I0W4095ZH9L@vax.clarku.edu> X-VMS-To: GABE, IN%"riross@umich.edu", IN%"mkesselman@delphi.com", JEAN, PSN, WSN From: GRAMPS::RVITALIS 5-DEC-1994 12:43:06.58 To: RROSS MARC PMILES BCOOK ZACH TRUBO @IDND.DIS CC: Subj: new virus From: IN%"maggie@MIT.EDU" "Maggie Browning" 5-DEC-1994 10:28:01.65 To: IN%"RVITALIS@vax.clarku.edu", IN%"apierce@MIT.EDU", IN%"anorton@sas.upenn.edu", IN%"harr@quads.uchicago.edu", IN%"ritter@acs.ucalgary.ca" CC: Subj: a virus warning I received Received: from MIT.EDU (SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU) by vax.clarku.edu (PMDF #12289) id <01HKA4TGYEOW95YX42@vax.clarku.edu>; Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:27 EST Received: from CARBONARA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26469; Mon, 5 Dec 94 10:27:19 EST Received: by carbonara.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA13458; Mon, 5 Dec 94 10:27:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 10:27:11 EST From: Maggie Browning Subject: a virus warning I received To: RVITALIS@vax.clarku.edu, apierce@MIT.EDU, anorton@sas.upenn.edu, harr@quads.uchicago.edu, ritter@acs.ucalgary.ca Message-id: <9412051527.AA13458@carbonara.MIT.EDU> - - - ------- Forwarded Message > >Some miscreant is sending e-mail under the title "good times" nation-wide. >If you get anything like this, DON'T DOWNLOAD THE FILE! 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From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Tue Dec 6 14:21:31 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Tue Dec 6 14:21:30 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id OAA24691 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:21:26 -0700 Received: from [128.220.25.44] ([128.220.25.44]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <1276-9>; Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:24:59 -0500 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:17:10 -0500 From: "Christopher Chase-Dunn" Sender: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Message-Id: <58645.chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> To: wsn@csf.Colorado.EDU Subject: gulbenkian commission The Fernand Braudel Center's announcement of the Gulbenkian Commission on the Restructuring of the Social Sciences is now available from the World-Systems electronic archive at csf.colorado.edu The address is gopher://csf.colorado.edu/wsystems/announce/ braudel_center/gulbenkian_commission Prof. Chris Chase-Dunn Department of Sociology Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD. 21218 USA tel 410 516 7633 fax 410 516 7590 email chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu From SOCTB%EMUVM1.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU Wed Dec 7 15:25:59 MST 1994 >From SOCTB@EMUVM1.CC.EMORY.EDU Wed Dec 7 15:25:58 1994 Received: from vaxf.Colorado.EDU (vaxf.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.9]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id PAA28244 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:25:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199412072225.PAA28244@csf.Colorado.EDU> Received: from EMUVM1.CC.EMORY.EDU (MAILER@EMUVM1) by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) id <01HKCW1FRTLS00076V@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>; Wed, 07 Dec 1994 15:20:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from EMUVM1.CC.EMORY.EDU (NJE origin SOCTB@EMUVM1) by EMUVM1.CC.EMORY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with RFC822 id 0406; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 01:52:16 -0500 Resent-date: Wed, 07 Dec 1994 01:51 -0500 (EST) Date: 7 December 94, 01:20:40 EST Resent-from: Terry Boswell From: Terry Boswell Resent-to: wsn To: WSN@CSF.COLORADO.EDU2 Resent-message-id: <01HKD7MC2HG800076V@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> X-Envelope-to: WSN@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Chris Chase-Dunn and I are organizing a session titled, Global Praxis and the Future of the World-System," for the ASA meetings to be held next August 19-23 in Washington, DC. A call for papers has gone out in the ASA Bulletin. We would like to use this opportunity to extend the call through the WSN network and encourage people to submit proposals. We are especially interested in reaching people outside Sociology, including activists in social and international organizations. We may be able to organize additional sessions or roundtables if several good papers arrive. The idea of the session is to use world-system theory to discuss future developments in the system and what they portend for progressive politics and social movements. We have all heard how heightened globalization is restricting the ability of states to control domestic affairs, and thus the ability of social movements to use the state to improve human conditions. This raises the question of global politics, with world movements and parties. As a starting point, we have invited W. Warren Wagar to discuss the scenarios described in his book, _A Short History of the Future_ (previously discussed on the WSN network; book reviews are available in the WSN archive). Wagar uses world-system theory as a framework for a utopian novel that describes a World Party coming to power globally following a world war in about 30 years. The discussant will be Immanual Wallerstein, who also has been working on questions of the future of the system. Send submissions to: Terry Boswell, Department of Sociology, Emory University, Atlanta, GA, 30322. From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Thu Dec 8 10:06:08 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Thu Dec 8 10:06:08 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id KAA29237 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 10:06:05 -0700 Received: from [128.220.25.44] ([128.220.25.44]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <371-7>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 12:09:47 -0500 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 11:01:52 -0500 From: "Christopher Chase-Dunn" Sender: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Message-Id: <43313.chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Boswell's address Re: Terry Boswell's announcement of the ASA panel on global praxis, Terry's new email address is tbos@soc.emory.edu Prof. Chris Chase-Dunn Department of Sociology Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD. 21218 USA tel 410 516 7633 fax 410 516 7590 email chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Thu Dec 8 13:02:29 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Thu Dec 8 13:02:29 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id NAA13087 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:02:23 -0700 Received: from [128.220.25.44] ([128.220.25.44]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <1750-7>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:06:08 -0500 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:57:54 -0500 From: "Christopher Chase-Dunn" Sender: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Message-Id: <53887.chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Fw: Fw: Virus on the INTERNET! -Forwarded (fwd) ------------------------------ From: "G.S. Amable" Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:02:27 -0500 To: Multiple recipients of list IMAGRS-L From RROSS@vax.clarku.edu Thu Dec 8 14:00:37 1994 Received: from JACK.clarku.edu (jack.clarku.edu [140.232.1.3]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id OAA18423; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:00:29 -0700 Received: from vax.clarku.edu by vax.clarku.edu (PMDF #12289) id <01HKEMPAXOS096Y04Z@vax.clarku.edu>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:43 EST Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:43 EST From: "ROBERT J.S. (BOB) ROSS, CHAIR OF SOCIOLOGY" Subject: virus hoax To: gross1@cc.swarthmore.edu, psn@csf.colorado.edu, wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-id: <01HKEMPAXOS096Y04Z@vax.clarku.edu> X-VMS-To: GABE,PSN,WSN From: GRAMPS::RVITALIS 8-DEC-1994 12:20:50.69 To: M RROSS CC: Subj: whoops From: JACK::JULLRICH "JENNIFER LEE ULLRICH" 8-DEC-1994 11:21:22.12 To: RVITALIS, KMAXCY, LMANSO, MDORRIAN, JSCHIFFER, IN%"ccoffey@ACC.Roanoke.edu", IN%"rahartzog@Main.rmwc.edu", IN%"3vh7penkoske@VMS.csd.mu.edu", IN%"PriceJ@bart.db.erau.edu", MWOLF CC: Subj: virus warning is a fluke From: IN%"jja6d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu" "Jennifer Ascano" 7-DEC-1994 23:42:52.33 To: IN%"dave@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu", IN%"hhb1@acpub.duke.edu", IN%"jullrich@vax.clarku.edu", IN%"mjk3e@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu", IN%"kishks@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu", IN%"spillai@suntan.eng.usf.edu" CC: Subj: VIRUS ALERT !!! - It's a hoax. Received: from virginia.edu (uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU) by vax.clarku.edu (PMDF #12289) id <01HKDP5JSZXC9615JZ@vax.clarku.edu>; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:42 EST Received: from uva.pcmail.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa01506; 7 Dec 94 23:41 EST Received: by uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU (8.6.8/1.34) id XAA02643; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:41:45 -0500 Received: from anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu by sun.pcmail.Virginia.EDU (8.6.8/1.34) id TAA16199; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:33:19 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA11954 for babble-l; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:29:06 -0800 Received: from halon.barra.COM (halon.barra.com [144.203.11.1]) by anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11844 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:28:08 -0800 Received: from lazarus.barra.COM (root@lazarus.barra.com [144.203.2.57]) by halon.barra.COM (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA25261 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:28:17 -0800 Received: from bedap.barra.COM (louis@bedap.barra.com [144.203.10.13]) by lazarus.barra.COM (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA11015 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:28:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (louis@localhost) by bedap.barra.COM (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA10230 for babble@bobby.ecst.csuchico.edu; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:26:04 -0800 Resent-date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:41:26 EST Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:26:04 -0800 Resent-from: Jennifer Ascano From: Louis Dunne Subject: VIRUS ALERT !!! - It's a hoax. In-reply-to: cgrady@VenLaw.com 'NO CURE !!! VIRUS ALERT !!!' (Dec 7, 3:06pm) Sender: owner-babble@ecst.csuchico.edu Resent-to: dave@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu, hhb1@acpub.duke.edu, jullrich@vax.clarku.edu, mjk3e@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu, kishks@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu, spillai@suntan.eng.usf.edu To: babble@anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu Resent-message-id: <199412080441.XAA02643@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU> Message-id: <199412072326.PAA10230@bedap.barra.COM> Organization: BARRA Inc., Berkeley, California. X-Mailer: UVa PCMail 1.9.0 Personal-Name: Louis Dunne - VMS/UNIX Systems. Reply-Address: louis.dunne@barra.com X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) cgrady@VenLaw.com wrote: > > >Figured some people may appreciate the following; > >There is a virus on America Online being sent by E-Mail. If you get >anything called "Good Times", DON'T read it or download it. It is a virus >that will erase your hard drive. > >Forward this to all your friends. It may help them alot. Oh God! This is a complete hoax, which has already been proved to be such. It was originated by someone at AOL and a student (I don't have the details handy). It's quite impossible for a mail message to delete the contents of your disk, since it's not executed in any fashion. [Side note for the technical nit pickers amoung us: on some old IBM machines it's possible to have executable mail attachments on a mail message, but that's not what this case is about]. Here's a preamble to the latest US DOE Computer Incident Advisory Capability (CIAC) Notes: While Good Times is a deliberate hoax, you should be aware that conventional e-mail messages can contain escape characters which may have "interesting" effects on programmable keyboards/terminals. For example, an escape sequence could possibly program a function key with a nasty command, and then the unsuspecting user could press "HELP" and get "ERASE *.*". Some older software and dumb terminals may be susceptible to this sort of attack. As another example, the EMACS editor can execute macros, but if it is set up in secure mode, there is absolutely no danger. These logic bombs are, of course, not viruses. Finding all these old, known, security problems is, as always, left to the alert reader. :-) If anyone wants a copy of the latest CIAC notes, contact me. Please everyone be sure of this kind of thing before you spread it around. Scares like this come out almost every week these days. The hysteria they create can be a right pain. Louis -- Louis Dunne, louis.dunne@barra.com **** Babble info **** For info, send the word HELP to: babble-request@bobby.ecst.csuchico.edu For a human to help with problems: owner-babble@bobby.ecst.csuchico.edu This list is sponsored by the CSU Chico Department of CS&E From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Thu Dec 8 14:03:29 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Thu Dec 8 14:03:28 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id OAA18532 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:03:26 -0700 Received: from [128.220.25.44] ([128.220.25.44]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <1581-9>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:06:57 -0500 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:58:56 -0500 From: "Christopher Chase-Dunn" Sender: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Message-Id: <53937.chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Fw: Harry Braverman Award ------------------------------ From: Tom Steiger Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:38:16 -0500 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Harry Braverman Award A N N O U N C E M E N T HARRY BRAVERMAN AWARD by THE LABOR STUDIES DIVISION of THE SOCIETY FOR THE STUDY OF SOCIAL PROBLEMS THIS AWARD IS GIVEN TO A GRADUATE STUDENT WHO HAS WRITTEN A PAPER RELATED TO WORK AND LABOR PRIZE -- $150.00 Submitting author must be a graduate student at time the paper was written and when submitted. Ordinarily the submitting author should be the first or sole a uthor. It is possible to submit a multi-authored paper if all authors are grad uate students. For more information contact: Tom Steiger Office number: (812) 237-2781 Department of Sociology FAX: (812) 237-8072 Indiana State University Email: SOLABOR@INDST.INDSTATE.EDU Terre Haute, IN 47809 Submit three typewritten copies to above address: Deadline April 1, 1995. Prof. Chris Chase-Dunn Department of Sociology Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD. 21218 USA tel 410 516 7633 fax 410 516 7590 email chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu From OWENJACK@fs.isu.edu Thu Dec 8 17:17:27 MST 1994 >From OWENJACK@fs.isu.edu Thu Dec 8 17:17:26 1994 Received: from ux1.isu.edu (ux1.isu.edu [134.50.254.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id RAA04278 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:17:24 -0700 Received: from FS.ISU.EDU by ux1.isu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA241002395; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:19:55 -0700 Received: from FS/MAILQUEUE by FS.ISU.EDU (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:22:29 -0600 Received: from MAILQUEUE by FS (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 8 Dec 94 17:22:09 -0600 From: "J B Owens" Organization: Idaho State University To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:21:59 MDT Subject: Virus hoax alert Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <2F199B29E2@FS.ISU.EDU> FYI for now & for info in the future. Jack Owens > U.S. DOE's Computer Incident Advisory Capability > ___ __ __ _ ___ __ __ __ __ __ > / | /_\ / |\ | / \ | |_ /_ > \___ __|__ / \ \___ | \| \__/ | |__ __/ > Number 94-04 December 6, 1994 ------------------- A - T - T - E - N - T - I - O - N ------------------- | CIAC is available 24-hours a day via its two skypage numbers. To use | | this service, dial 1-800-759-7243. The PIN numbers are: 8550070 (for | | the CIAC duty person) and 8550074 (for the CIAC manager). Please keep | >| these numbers handy. | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Welcome to the fourth issue of CIAC Notes! This is a special edition to >clear up recent reports of a "good times" virus-hoax. Let us know if you have topics you would like addressed or have feedback on what is useful and >what is not. Please contact the editor, Allan L. Van Lehn, CIAC, >510-422-8193 or send E-mail to ciac@llnl.gov. > > $-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$ > $ Reference to any specific commercial product does not necessarily $ > $ constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation or favoring by $ > $ CIAC, the University of California, or the United States Government.$ > $-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$ > >THE "Good Times" VIRUS IS AN URBAN LEGEND > In the early part of December, CIAC started to receive information requests about a supposed "virus" which could be contracted via America OnLine, simply >by reading a message. The following is the message that CIAC received: > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >| Here is some important information. Beware of a file called Goodtimes. | >| | >| Happy Chanukah everyone, and be careful out there. There is a virus on | >| America Online being sent by E-Mail. If you get anything called "Good | Times", DON'T read it or download it. It is a virus that will erase your | >| hard drive. Forward this to all your friends. It may help them a lot. | > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >THIS IS A HOAX. Upon investigation, CIAC has determined that this message originated from both a user of America Online and a student at a university >at approximately the same time, and it was meant to be a hoax. > >CIAC has also seen other variations of this hoax, the main one is that any >electronic mail message with the subject line of "xxx-1" will infect your >computer. > > This rumor has been spreading very widely. This spread is due mainly to the >fact that many people have seen a message with "Good Times" in the header. >They delete the message without reading it, thus believing that they have >saved themselves from being attacked. These first-hand reports give a false >sense of credibility to the alert message. > >There has been one confirmation of a person who received a message with "xxx-1" in the header, but an empty message body. Then, (in a panic, because >he had heard the alert), he checked his PC for viruses (the first time he checked his machine in months) and found a pre-existing virus on his machine. He incorrectly came to the conclusion that the E-mail message gave him the virus (this particular virus could NOT POSSIBLY have spread via an E-mail message). This person then spread his alert. > > As of this date, there are no known viruses which can infect merely through reading a mail message. For a virus to spread some program must be executed. Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message. Yes, Trojans have been found as executable attachments to mail messages, the most notorious being the IBM VM Christmas Card Trojan of 1987, also the TERM MODULE Worm (reference CIAC Bulletin B-7) and the GAME2 MODULE Worm (CIAC Bulletin B-12). But this is not the case for this particular "virus" alert. > > If you encounter this message being distributed on any mailing lists, simply ignore it or send a follow-up message stating that this is a false rumor. > >Karyn Pichnarczyk >CIAC Team >ciac@llnl.gov > >------------------------------ >Contacting CIAC > > If you require additional assistance or wish to report a vulnerability, call CIAC at 510-422-8193, fax messages to 510-423-8002 or send E-mail to ciac@llnl.gov. For emergencies and off-hour assistance, call 1-800-SKY-PAGE (759-7243) and enter PIN number 8550070 (primary) or 8550074 (secondary). The CIAC Duty Officer, a rotating responsibility, carries the primary skypager. The Project Leader carries the secondary skypager. If you are unable to contact CIAC via phone, please use the skypage system. > > > >------------------------------ This document was prepared as an account of work sponsored by an agency of the United States Government. Neither the United States Government nor the University of California nor any of their employees, makes any warranty, express or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, apparatus, product, or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. Reference herein to any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark, manufacturer, or otherwise, does not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation or favoring by the United States Government or the University of California. The views and opinions of authors expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of the United States Government or the University of California, and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes. > > > >------------------------------ End of CIAC Notes Number 94-04 94_12_06 > >**************************************** From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Thu Dec 8 17:58:22 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Thu Dec 8 17:58:22 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id RAA07691 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:58:21 -0700 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ([128.220.2.5]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <2046-9>; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:01:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:00:54 -0500 From: Christoph Chase-Dunn Subject: virus hoax (fwd) To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:08:26 -0500 From: ROBERT J.S. (BOB) ROSS, CHAIR OF SOCIOLOGY To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: virus hoax From: GRAMPS::RVITALIS 8-DEC-1994 12:20:50.69 To: M RROSS CC: Subj: whoops From: JACK::JULLRICH "JENNIFER LEE ULLRICH" 8-DEC-1994 11:21:22.12 To: RVITALIS, KMAXCY, LMANSO, MDORRIAN, JSCHIFFER, IN%"ccoffey@ACC.Roanoke.edu", IN%"rahartzog@Main.rmwc.edu", IN%"3vh7penkoske@VMS.csd.mu.edu", IN%"PriceJ@bart.db.erau.edu", MWOLF CC: Subj: virus warning is a fluke From: IN%"jja6d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu" "Jennifer Ascano" 7-DEC-1994 23:42:52.33 To: IN%"dave@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu", IN%"hhb1@acpub.duke.edu", IN%"jullrich@vax.clarku.edu", IN%"mjk3e@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu", IN%"kishks@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu", IN%"spillai@suntan.eng.usf.edu" CC: Subj: VIRUS ALERT !!! - It's a hoax. Received: from virginia.edu (uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU) by vax.clarku.edu (PMDF #12289) id <01HKDP5JSZXC9615JZ@vax.clarku.edu>; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:42 EST Received: from uva.pcmail.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa01506; 7 Dec 94 23:41 EST Received: by uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU (8.6.8/1.34) id XAA02643; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 23:41:45 -0500 Received: from anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu by sun.pcmail.Virginia.EDU (8.6.8/1.34) id TAA16199; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:33:19 -0500 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id PAA11954 for babble-l; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:29:06 -0800 Received: from halon.barra.COM (halon.barra.com [144.203.11.1]) by anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11844 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:28:08 -0800 Received: from lazarus.barra.COM (root@lazarus.barra.com [144.203.2.57]) by halon.barra.COM (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA25261 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:28:17 -0800 Received: from bedap.barra.COM (louis@bedap.barra.com [144.203.10.13]) by lazarus.barra.COM (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA11015 for ; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:28:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (louis@localhost) by bedap.barra.COM (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA10230 for babble@bobby.ecst.csuchico.edu; Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:26:04 -0800 Resent-date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:41:26 EST Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:26:04 -0800 Resent-from: Jennifer Ascano From: Louis Dunne Subject: VIRUS ALERT !!! - It's a hoax. In-reply-to: cgrady@VenLaw.com 'NO CURE !!! VIRUS ALERT !!!' (Dec 7, 3:06pm) Sender: owner-babble@ecst.csuchico.edu Resent-to: dave@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu, hhb1@acpub.duke.edu, jullrich@vax.clarku.edu, mjk3e@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu, kishks@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu, spillai@suntan.eng.usf.edu To: babble@anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu Resent-message-id: <199412080441.XAA02643@uva.pcmail.Virginia.EDU> Message-id: <199412072326.PAA10230@bedap.barra.COM> Organization: BARRA Inc., Berkeley, California. X-Mailer: UVa PCMail 1.9.0 Personal-Name: Louis Dunne - VMS/UNIX Systems. Reply-Address: louis.dunne@barra.com X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) cgrady@VenLaw.com wrote: > > >Figured some people may appreciate the following; > >There is a virus on America Online being sent by E-Mail. If you get >anything called "Good Times", DON'T read it or download it. It is a virus >that will erase your hard drive. > >Forward this to all your friends. It may help them alot. Oh God! This is a complete hoax, which has already been proved to be such. It was originated by someone at AOL and a student (I don't have the details handy). It's quite impossible for a mail message to delete the contents of your disk, since it's not executed in any fashion. [Side note for the technical nit pickers amoung us: on some old IBM machines it's possible to have executable mail attachments on a mail message, but that's not what this case is about]. Here's a preamble to the latest US DOE Computer Incident Advisory Capability (CIAC) Notes: While Good Times is a deliberate hoax, you should be aware that conventional e-mail messages can contain escape characters which may have "interesting" effects on programmable keyboards/terminals. For example, an escape sequence could possibly program a function key with a nasty command, and then the unsuspecting user could press "HELP" and get "ERASE *.*". Some older software and dumb terminals may be susceptible to this sort of attack. As another example, the EMACS editor can execute macros, but if it is set up in secure mode, there is absolutely no danger. These logic bombs are, of course, not viruses. Finding all these old, known, security problems is, as always, left to the alert reader. :-) If anyone wants a copy of the latest CIAC notes, contact me. Please everyone be sure of this kind of thing before you spread it around. Scares like this come out almost every week these days. The hysteria they create can be a right pain. Louis -- Louis Dunne, louis.dunne@barra.com **** Babble info **** For info, send the word HELP to: babble-request@bobby.ecst.csuchico.edu For a human to help with problems: owner-babble@bobby.ecst.csuchico.edu This list is sponsored by the CSU Chico Department of CS&E From Candice.Bradley@lawrence.edu Thu Dec 8 18:05:01 MST 1994 >From Candice.Bradley@lawrence.edu Thu Dec 8 18:05:00 1994 Received: from ellen.acad.lawrence.edu (ellen.acad.lawrence.edu [143.44.128.1]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id SAA08616 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 18:04:59 -0700 From: Candice.Bradley@lawrence.edu Received: from lawrence.edu by lawrence.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #3646) id <01HKETWOVQ3A8X0YH1@lawrence.edu>; Thu, 08 Dec 1994 19:11:13 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 1994 19:11:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: enough on the so-called virus! To: WSN@csf.colorado.edu Message-id: <01HKETWOVQ3C8X0YH1@lawrence.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"WSN@csf.colorado.edu" X-VMS-Cc: BRADLEYC MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I feel that I've heard enough about the virus hoax for now. May we move on to other topics please? Candice Bradley From wxhst3+@pitt.edu Thu Dec 8 20:12:42 MST 1994 >From wxhst3+@pitt.edu Thu Dec 8 20:12:42 1994 Received: from pop.pitt.edu (pop.pitt.edu [136.142.185.27]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id UAA17794 for ; Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:12:39 -0700 Received: from unixs1.cis.pitt.edu by pop.pitt.edu with SMTP id AA16224 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.5 for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:16:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:16:21 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Haller Subject: Re: enough on the so-called virus! To: Candice.Bradley@lawrence.edu Cc: Multiple recipients of list In-Reply-To: <01HKETWOVQ3C8X0YH1@lawrence.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry folks, One last thing need be said. Just a reminder that if you keep your data backed up on a regular basis there's no need to FREAK OUT over viruses (unless someone's invented a virus that damages hardware or erases your BIOS). So, keep your data backed up (including all software configurations and subdirectory structures if possible) and if you have to reformat your hard drive again someday if you do happen to get hit, then, big deal, it's no sweat to recover. Bill Haller ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Haller \/ University Center for Social Department of Sociology /\ and Urban Research (UCSUR) University of Pittsburgh \/ 121 University Place, 6th floor email: wxhst3+@pitt.edu.us /\ Pittsburgh, PA 15213-9972 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Mon Dec 12 10:22:37 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Mon Dec 12 10:22:36 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id KAA16899 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 10:22:35 -0700 Received: from [128.220.25.44] ([128.220.25.44]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <1550-9>; Mon, 12 Dec 1994 12:26:23 -0500 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:14:34 -0500 From: "Christopher Chase-Dunn" Sender: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Message-Id: <36886.chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Subject: book review Immanuel Wallerstein's review of Janet Abu-Lughod's _Before European Hegemony_ is available from the bookrevs subdirectory of the World-Systems Archive (wsystems) at csf.colorado.edu Prof. Chris Chase-Dunn Department of Sociology Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD. 21218 USA tel 410 516 7633 fax 410 516 7590 email chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Tue Dec 13 07:58:38 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Tue Dec 13 07:58:38 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id HAA27910 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 07:58:37 -0700 Received: from [128.220.25.44] ([128.220.25.44]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <300-4>; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 10:02:22 -0500 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 08:54:19 -0500 From: "Christopher Chase-Dunn" Sender: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Message-Id: <35664.chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Subject: braudel center report The "Report on an intellectual project: the Fernand Braudel Center, 1976-1991" is now available on the World-Systems Archive (wsystems) at csf.colorado.edu This report is in >>research_projects >>braudel_center Prof. Chris Chase-Dunn Department of Sociology Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD. 21218 USA tel 410 516 7633 fax 410 516 7590 email chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu From spector@nwi.calumet.purdue.edu Tue Dec 13 13:47:06 MST 1994 >From spector@nwi.calumet.purdue.edu Tue Dec 13 13:47:06 1994 Received: from nwi.calumet.purdue.edu (nwi.calumet.purdue.edu [128.210.101.10]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id NAA22260 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 13:47:04 -0700 Received: from [128.210.108.10] (e01_07b_010.calumet.purdue.edu [128.210.108.10]) by nwi.calumet.purdue.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA16426 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:50:18 -0600 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:51:26 -0600 (CST) From: "Alan Spector" Sender: spector@nwi.calumet.purdue.edu Reply-To: spector@nwi.calumet.purdue.edu Message-Id: <53487.spector@nwi.calumet.purdue.edu> To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Fw: International Conferences??? (This message has been posted to several lists; let me apologize in advance if you received it more than once.) Starting in January, I'll be on sabbatical until late spring. My plan has been to do some international travelling to meet with colleagues, hopefully in Europe, Africa, Latin America, and/or possibly South Asia. My interests are social change in general, as well as a particular interest in race-religious-ethnic relations. Just today I was made aware of some possible funding for travel to international conferences, primarily to make presentations, although the agency might be flexible. Therefore, I would greatly appreciate information, notices, etc. about any such conferences/meetings on social-political issues which will be held during late-winter through summer. Those dealing with race-religious-ethnic relations are especially relevant, but my interests do encompass broader questions of social change. Readers of this message outside the U.S. might have knowledge of particular events that those in the U.S. might not be aware of, but I'd appreciate information from anyone. Unfortunately, the deadline is VERY SOON; therefore it is especially important get back to me as soon as possible (within two days...) Attending conferences and making trips such as this can help provide more opportunities to develop and deepen international contact and cooperation. If you have any information, please contact me back at spectoaj@vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu or FAX 219-989-2008 or phone (USA) 219-989-2387 Thanks very much. Alan Spector Behavioral Sciences Department Purdue University Calumet Hammond, IN 46323 (USA) From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Wed Dec 14 12:29:03 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Wed Dec 14 12:29:02 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id MAA08151 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:29:02 -0700 Received: from [128.220.25.44] ([128.220.25.44]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <988-2>; Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:32:56 -0500 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:25:04 -0500 From: "Christopher Chase-Dunn" Sender: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Message-Id: <51913.chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Review Indexes An index organized by author, and another organized by issue for the journal _REVIEW_ published at the Fernand Braudel Center have been added to the World-systems Electronic Archive (wsystems) at csf.colorado.edu These files are located in the following subdirectories: >>journals >>review:braudel_center Prof. Chris Chase-Dunn Department of Sociology Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD. 21218 USA tel 410 516 7633 fax 410 516 7590 email chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Thu Dec 15 07:53:56 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Thu Dec 15 07:53:55 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id HAA12584 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 07:53:54 -0700 Received: from [128.220.25.44] ([128.220.25.44]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <340-5>; Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:57:50 -0500 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 08:49:49 -0500 From: "Christopher Chase-Dunn" Sender: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Message-Id: <35402.chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Braudel Center Newsletter The Newsletters of Fernand Braudel Center for 1991 to 1994 have been deposited in the World-Systems Archive (wsystems) at csf.colorado.edu These files are located in the following subdirectories: >>newslett >>braudel_center Prof. Chris Chase-Dunn Department of Sociology Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD. 21218 USA tel 410 516 7633 fax 410 516 7590 email chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Fri Dec 16 09:03:30 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Fri Dec 16 09:03:30 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id JAA28245 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:03:29 -0700 Received: from [128.220.25.44] ([128.220.25.44]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <561-2>; Fri, 16 Dec 1994 11:06:54 -0500 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 09:58:49 -0500 From: "Christopher Chase-Dunn" Sender: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Message-Id: <39540.chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Subject: more on the archive A complete bibliography of Immanuel Wallerstein's publications has been added to the World-Systems Archive (wsystems) at csf.colorado.edu This file is located in the following subdirectory: >>pubs Others are encouraged to include files on the World-Systems Archive. We need bibliographies on relevant topics, lists of publications by authors, professional biographical information, syllabi, working papers, announcements of upcoming events, descriptions of research projects, data sets, announcements about relevant journals, and book reviews. These files must be is ASCII format. Please either ftp your files to the "input" subdirectory of wsystems (along with email to me) or send me an IBM-compatible diskette containing the files you would like to have put up. There were over 1400 gopher visits to our archive in November. chris Prof. Chris Chase-Dunn Department of Sociology Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD. 21218 USA tel 410 516 7633 fax 410 516 7590 email chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu From rozov@adm.nsu.nsk.su Mon Dec 19 22:37:10 MST 1994 >From adm!adm.nsu.nsk.su!rozov@nsu.nsk.su Mon Dec 19 22:37:10 1994 Received: from nsu.nsk.su (mx.nsu.nsk.su [193.124.209.71]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id WAA16827 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 1994 22:36:55 -0700 Received: from localhost by nsu.nsk.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA07923 for wsn@csf.colorado.edu; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 11:38:05 +0600 Received: by adm.nsu.nsk.su (UUPC/@ v5.09gamma, 14Mar93); Tue, 1 Jan 1980 03:09:00 +0600 To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-Id: Organization: Novosibirsk State University From: "Nikolai S. Rozov" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 1980 03:08:50 +0600 X-Mailer: Mail [v1.8 MSDOS] Subject: w-s typology Lines: 82 The discussion on "discourse-based w-s" opened by Prof. Steve Muhlberger was significant and it is a pity we have no summary presenting basic alternative viewpoints. I think that there is more general topic which Prof. Fred Riggs meant: "...Is it not useful, therefore, to specify whether or when we are talking about a "discourse-based w-s" or a "trade-based w-s" or a "capitalist w-s."? If so, what kinds of w-ss are worthy of analysis, and how do they overlap or connect with each other?..." I suggest first to clear the very typology (or taxonomy) of w-s and to reach the minimal consensus about main types, logical basis and key features for identification. I was involved in w-s problematique rather recently and up to day I know only three main approaches: I.Wallerstein's BASIS: logic of materials' and goods' movement TYPOLOGY: 1.mini-systems 2.world-empires 3.world-economies C.Chase-Dunn's (Comparing World-Systems - gopher wsystems/books/chase-dunn ) TYPOLOGY: 1. stateless, classless w-economies 2. primary state-based w-economies 3. primary w-empires 4. complex secondary w-systems 5. commercializing w-systems (capitalist w-systems) I have not found the explicit BASIS of this taxonomy but it seems that Wallerstein's "logic" is added by "complexity", "existance of state" and "historical order". I hope Prof. C.Chase-Dunn will correct me if I am wrong. C.Chase-Dunn & T.Hall 1993 and D.Wilkinson (according to the paper by C.Chase-Dunn and P.Grimes presented in wsn) BASIS: sorts of interactions TYPOLOGY: 1. network of bulk-goods exchanges 2. political/military network 3. prestige-goods net-work (trade oikumene) Please add my short list which surely cannot be complete. By the way, what about civilizations, cultures, ecumenes, discourse-based w-s, etc.? Is it still necessary to preserve a conceptual wall between civilization and ws approaches? I have some ideas of w-s typology with strict conceptual structure which also can be integrated with civilizationist (culturological) approach, also with intra-w-s, inter-w-s and evolutionary concepts but I wish to know if this topic is of interest for wsn participants. Any comments ? Nikolai Rozov ################################################################## Moderator of the list PHILOFHI (info file: PHILOF HISTORY PHILOSOP) Nikolai S. Rozov, Ph.D., Dr.Sc.(Social Philosophy) Dept.Philosophy, Novosibirsk State University ADDRESS: 630090, Novosibirsk, Pirogova 2, Russia FAX: 7/3832/35 52 37 E-MAIL: rozov@adm.nsu.nsk.su ################################################################## From ELENA@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU Tue Dec 20 06:16:11 MST 1994 >From ELENA@JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU Tue Dec 20 06:16:10 1994 Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.2]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id GAA02302 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 06:16:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199412201316.GAA02302@csf.Colorado.EDU> Received: from JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9900; Tue, 20 Dec 94 08:17:56 EST Received: from JHUVM (NJE origin ELENA@JHUVM) by JHUVM.HCF.JHU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9898; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 08:17:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 07:59:29 EST From: Elena Ermolaeva Subject: Re: w-s typology To: Multiple recipients of list In response to Nikolai S. Rozov: This is not altogether surprising that the discussion on "discourse-based w-s" did not receive summaries presenting basic alternative viewpoints and Your futu re considerations, even based on the limited knowledge with the subject, are definitely appreciated. The discussion represented a "useful" exchange between representatives of roughly two disciplines - linguistics and world-systems appr oach - when two sides tried to introduce the opponents into the BASICS of their fields. For sure, the clearly presented findings of w-s approach (known for today to any undergraduate student) had explained a lot to people working a little bit closer to the area of culture. What, however, remained unexplained, as You rightly point, is the place of cultures, discourse-based w-s, and (I would add from my side) symbolic networks in the ancient and modern w-ss. Dear Dr. Rozov: Do not expect that people accustomed to the role of chiefs or pseudo-chiefs in the realm of political economy would surrender too fast: culture, according to them, simply follows economic and political order; some- times less, sometimes more, but always as a subordinate element. Maybe so... Maybe... But for what to kill the unborn baby!? Isn't it worth to study? Elena Ermolaeva elena@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu From Dale.Wimberley@vt.edu Tue Dec 20 10:28:18 MST 1994 >From Dale.Wimberley@vt.edu Tue Dec 20 10:28:17 1994 Received: from vtucs.cc.vt.edu (vtucs.cc.vt.edu [128.173.4.72]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id KAA14704 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 10:28:16 -0700 Received: from satie.soc.vt.edu by vtucs.cc.vt.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.8/16.2) id AA01854; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:32:11 -0500 X-Sender: wimberly@mail.vt.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:33:28 -0500 To: World-System Network From: Dale.Wimberley@vt.edu (Dale W. Wimberley) Subject: PEWS 1995 ASA Sessions: News and a Deadline Reminder (BAD) NEWS: The official 1994 membership of the ASA PEWS Section reached only 382, below the threshold of 400 required by ASA for us to have 3 paper sessions (in addition to the Roundtables) at the 1995 annual meeting. This has resulted in the loss of our session on Environment and the World System, organized by Al Bergesen. REMINDER: Submissions are due JANUARY 14 for the remaining PEWS sessions at the ASA annual meeting, August 19-23, 1995, in Washington, DC: SESSION 1: Science and Technology, Work Organization, and Global Restructuring. (Joint panel offered with the Science, Knowledge, and Technology Section under a reciprocal agreement between PEWS and SK & T; in 1994 we cosponsored the session on World Science and Technology Systems with SK & T). Organizers: David Smith (for PEWS) School of Social Sciences University of California - Irvine Irvine, CA 92717 E-mail: das@orion.oac.uci.edu Phone: (714) 856-7292 Peter Taylor (for SK & T) SESSION 2: Global Praxis and the Future of the World System. Organizers: Christopher Chase-Dunn Department of Sociology Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD 21218 E-mail: chriscd@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu Phone: (410) 516-7626 Terry Boswell Department of Sociology Emory University Atlanta, GA 30322 E-mail: soctb@emuvm1 Phone: (404) 727-7533 ROUNDTABLE SESSION Organizers: Laura Raynolds Department of Sociology Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 E-mail: LRaynolds@vines.ColoState.EDU FAX: (303) 491-2191 Phone: (303) 491-5439 Jayati Lal Department of Sociology Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853 E-mail: jl34@cornell.edu FAX: (607) 255-8473 PHONE: (607) 657-2607 ---------------------------------------------------------- Dale Wimberley PEWS Secretary-Treasurer Dale.Wimberley@vt.edu Dale W. Wimberley Department of Sociology Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Tue Dec 20 12:30:37 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Tue Dec 20 12:30:37 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id MAA21832 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 12:30:36 -0700 Received: from [128.220.25.44] ([128.220.25.44]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <820-2>; Tue, 20 Dec 1994 14:34:41 -0500 X-NUPop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 13:26:38 -0500 From: "Christopher Chase-Dunn" Sender: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Reply-To: chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Message-Id: <52004.chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Subject: Fw: ASA and SSSP ------------------------------ From: SPECTOAJ@vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:14:18 -0500 To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ASA and SSSP For the ASA Meetings in Washington, D.C. in Washington, D.C. in August, 1995--I'm responsible for organizing the roundtable sessions for the Section on Marxist Sociology. Typically, there are 20 or more special topic sessions that bring together presenters with research in progress--whether empirical or theoretical--and others with a particular interest in those topics. It is a terrific opportunity to get feedback on your work as well as develop links with others who share your interests. The sessions are usually combined with the business meeting of the Section, which allows for maximum participation. If you are interested in putting on a roundtable session, please conta contact me as soon as possible. Give me the title of the proposed roundtable, your name, and the titles of any formal presentations that will be given during the roundtable. As organizer of a roundtable, you can invite specific other people to make a presentation as well; please do keep in mind, though, that these sessions are intended to encourage lots of discussion and the time is limited, so allow enough time for discussion--use your judgement. I can be contacted through regular mail at Behavioral Sciences Dept. Purdue University Calumet, Hammond, IN 46323 or you can send me an e-mail message. If you have a proposal, please don't put thiss off too long. Last minute arrangements can be a hassle to everyone. thanks, alan spector spectoaj@vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu p.s.--examples of some roundtable topics in the past (to give you an idea of the range): Local Community Power Structure Research; Racism and Biological Determinism; New Directions in Marxist Theory; Marxism and National Liberation Struggles; Labor Organizing in the South; Challenging Columbus Myths; Teaching Marxist Sociology; etc.......... From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Wed Dec 21 08:02:19 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Wed Dec 21 08:02:18 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id IAA17470 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 08:02:17 -0700 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ([128.220.2.5]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <1308-5>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:06:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:06:17 -0500 From: Christoph Chase-Dunn To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks to Prof. Nicholai Rozov for his post about types of world-systems. I would like to clarify some things about the Chase-Dunn and Hall typology. Recall that C-D and Hall distinguish between several kinds of world-systems depending on the main kind of social organization that is predominant. Thus the main distinctions are between Kin-based, state-based (or tributary) and capitalist world-systems. Regarding the matter of different kinds of interaction networks -- Prestige goods, political/military, and bulk goods -- these are distinctions that are usefull for spatially bounding regional world-systems. Nearly all non-global systems are composed of nested interaction networks that have different spatial characteristics. In most the bulk goods network (exchange of basic foods and raw materials) is a rather local affair, the political/military network (interaction among polities that are allied or fighting) is somewhat bigger, and the prestige goods network (exchange of high value goods) is much larger. Since all three of these kinds of interaction often have important consequences for social reproduction and social change it is important to include all of them in order to understand a particular system. Tom Hall and I are finishing up our book _Rise and Demise: Comparing World-Systems_ to be published by Westview Press in 1995. Professor Christopher Chase-Dunn Department of Sociology Johns Hopkins University Baltimore, MD. 21218 USA 410 516 7633 fax 410 516 7590 email chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu From denemark@strauss.udel.edu Wed Dec 21 10:52:27 MST 1994 >From denemark@strauss.udel.edu Wed Dec 21 10:52:26 1994 Received: from strauss.udel.edu (strauss.udel.edu [128.175.13.74]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id KAA29842 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:52:25 -0700 Received: (from denemark@localhost) by strauss.udel.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA07859; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 12:56:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 12:56:30 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Denemark Subject: financial mobility (fwd) To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Second try. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 14:59:31 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Denemark To: world system network Subject: financial mobility Greetings; Might finanial (hyper) mobility be the 'height of liberalism' - the straw that breaks the hegemon's back? Would it be reasonable to look for periods of greatest financial mobility after free trade has been well in place, and just prior to periods of full scale hegemonic decline? The logic of such a formulation might run something like this: If financial hyper-mobiligy reduces the ability of states to protect themselves, then it would be harder for core states to maintain their positions relative to one another, leveling advantages that had accrued to the hegemon. This might also have the effect of pushing both liberalism and perhaps some transient advantages to the upper echelon of the periphery as capital is freer to seek points of greater return. (Though this does not seem to fit the general debt model that Suter/Pfister suggest, as one would assume might be the result.) Can anyone point to consistent or inconsistent - especially pre l6th century - historical examples? I have a feeling as well that the freeing of trade and the freeing of financial capital may be related. My thoughts on this are at an early stage and I could do with some inputs. Anything I should be sure to read? Thanks, Bob Denemark Dept. of Political Science University of Delaware denemark@strauss.udel.edu From SOCTB%EMUVM1.BITNET@vaxf.Colorado.EDU Wed Dec 21 21:06:07 MST 1994 >From SOCTB@EMUVM1.CC.EMORY.EDU Wed Dec 21 21:06:02 1994 Received: from vaxf.Colorado.EDU (vaxf.Colorado.EDU [128.138.129.9]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id VAA03011 for ; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 21:06:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199412220406.VAA03011@csf.Colorado.EDU> Received: from EMUVM1.CC.EMORY.EDU (MAILER@EMUVM1) by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8140) id <01HKX26Y2YWG000KFJ@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU>; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 20:58:11 -0700 (MST) Received: from EMUVM1.CC.EMORY.EDU (NJE origin SOCTB@EMUVM1) by EMUVM1.CC.EMORY.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with RFC822 id 7328; Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:21:29 -0500 Resent-date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 16:21 -0500 (EST) Date: 21 December 94, 16:01:44 EST Resent-from: Terry Boswell From: Terry Boswell Resent-to: wsn To: WSN@CSF.COLO Resent-message-id: <01HKX3HJBGU6000KFJ@VAXF.COLORADO.EDU> X-Envelope-to: WSN@CSF.COLORADO.EDU Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Chase-Dunn and Hall have clarified what they mean by a system. I want to try to get them to clarify it some more. They define a system as an exchange that has important effects on the trading societies. They then distinguish between bulk, prestige, and military/political exchanges. The problem I have is with the word "important." How do we know if an effect is important? Is there a minimum importance? Does the importance have to be the same type for all traders? Is it a system if the trade is important for one but not other traders? Can the trade be important if the traders are not dependent upon it for survival? Compare their definition (or Gills and Frank's) with Wallerstien's definition of a system as a division of labor in the trade of necessities. Necessities are important because they are required for survival at current standards of living. A division of labor is important because it means that obtaining necessities requires trade. All traders in the system are thus dependent on each other. Power and hierarchy in the system is determined by the amount, variety and type of dependence (the same definition of power as in exchange theories of interpersonal relations in social psychology, by the way). Trade in necessity surpluses, preciosities, prestige goods, symbols, and so on, do not constitute a system by this definition. Is this definition perfect? No. Is it better than an "important" exchange? Yes. There is much to be gained from applying a world-system framework beyond the confines of modern capitalism. However, for it to be a world-SYSTEM analysis, then the ssytem has to have a substantive meaning and the workings of the system have to be the core of the argument. Otherwise, the studies are just ancient history by another name. From THALL@DEPAUW.EDU Thu Dec 22 07:10:30 MST 1994 >From THALL@DEPAUW.EDU Thu Dec 22 07:10:29 1994 Received: from depauw.edu (DEPAUW.EDU [163.120.1.1]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id HAA26926 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 07:10:28 -0700 Received: from DEPAUW.EDU by DEPAUW.EDU (PMDF #5830 ) id <01HKXSKULTNK002Y0E@DEPAUW.EDU>; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:16:15 EST Date: 22 Dec 1994 09:16:15 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas D. [Tom] Hall, THALL@DEPAUW.EDU" Subject: systems and what is important? To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-id: <01HKXSKUM3AQ002Y0E@DEPAUW.EDU> X-VMS-To: WSN X-VMS-Cc: THALL MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Terry Boswell raises and interesting point--one Chris & I have struggled with. Let me sketch my (Hall) current thinking on this: I see the issue of what level of interaction (bulk, military/political, luxury, and as others have raised possibly ideological/cultural) is "important" is both a theoretical and empirical issue, and to complicate matters it is "fuzzy" in both areas. I prefer to think about such things as continua. [For those who know it, my work on "incorporation" of new areas into a world-system uses the same approach]. That is, there is a gradient of interaction. In the strong range of the gradient the "importance" is clear, BUT in the weak range (which by definition tapers off to none) the "importance" is not clear. Indeed, it is "unimportant." But where the transition zone (I prefer, at least in absence of strong empirical evidence to the contrary, zone rather than point) is remains problematic. Rather than pursue endless theoretical debates about where that transition is, and whether it is a zone or a point, I prefer to look at some empirical data then formulate a working hypothesis. In brief, we are at that stage of analysis where the shuttle between theory and data that marks all theorizing is fairly rapid. I (we) hope that in _Rise & Demise_ we can clarify this issue, at least incrementally. But fuller clarification will involve more empirical studies. As with any research hypothesis, this one could turn out to be false. That is, such interactions are not "important," and thus there is no system. In that case, Terry's observation would be correct: the study of "precapitalist world-systems" is only ancient history under a different label. >From what Chris and I have studied, I am convinced that this is NOT the case, that there are real systems. I am equally convinced that they do NOT operate in the same way as the modern world-system, but that they do bear a "family resemblance" to it. Further, we claim that at least some of these early systems are ancestral, in an evolutionary sense, to the modern world-system. Some of the "system" features are extremely weak--which is why they have so seldom been studied. The best explication I can invent this am is that the situation is akin to the problem a gardner faces when weeds and seeds first sprout: telling which is which is often very difficult at first, but after a short time it becomes clear. In other words, to sum up a too long-winded reply, the issue is NOT one of lack of definitional clarity, but lack of sufficient empirical data to know what definitions are appropriate. tom hall thall@depauw.edu From fredr@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Thu Dec 22 12:25:28 MST 1994 >From fredr@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Thu Dec 22 12:25:27 1994 Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu (relay1.Hawaii.Edu [128.171.41.53]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id MAA21665 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 12:25:25 -0700 Received: from uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.52]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <11399(4)>; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:29:22 -1000 Received: by uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu id <148500>; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:28:49 -1000 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 09:28:41 -1000 From: Fred Riggs Subject: Re: World-System typology To: "Nikolai S. Rozov" cc: COCTA-L , Multiple recipients of list , malkia matti , gerhard budin , graham george In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Dr. Rozov: How heart-warming to hear from Novosibirsk during this holiday season. During our seasonal festivities most subscribers will not want to take time off to consider such weighty issues as you raise, but they relate very much to the field of "conceptual and terminological analysis" which is the focal domain of COCTA-L, a network whose members are as active--perhaps even more--as the members of WSN. I appreciate your reference to an earlier intervention of mine and would only like to add a methodological note. We have developed, in COCTA and its INTERCOCTA project, which has had UNESCO sponsorship, a methodology that is highly relevant to the questions about types of "world-systems" that you raise. In order to answer these questions, we find that it is necessary to be clear first about the concepts that one has in mind--not by discussing the meaning of particular words and phrases, but rather by clearly explaining each necessary concept. A text is needed for that purpose, perhaps with pictures, graphs, etc. to assure clear thought. Then, when one has the concept clearly in mind and finds that it can be communicated to others by means of an explanation, it is useful to ask what term to use to designate it so that we can easily use the concept without having to explain it every time. You have offered us a challenging set of terms which suggest important concepts and the distinctions among them. Clearly "world-system" is one of the most important of these terms, as used in the title, "WSN." Our seminal colleague, Chase-Dunn, has performed a great service by explicating some of the more important types of world-system in a recent contribution to our discourse. You go even further, however, to suggest further distinctions. Perhaps a useful discourse could be launched between some members of the COVICO-L list and a few interested members of the WSN list just to identify the most important concepts needed in this field of study. I'd be glad to help any way I can in such an exercise. With all best wishes for a Happy New Year. Aloha greetings from Hawaii, Fred On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, Nikolai S. Rozov wrote: > The discussion on "discourse-based w-s" opened by Prof. > Steve Muhlberger was > significant and it is a pity we have no summary presenting basic > alternative viewpoints. > I think that there is more general topic which > Prof. Fred Riggs > meant: > > "...Is it not useful, therefore, to specify whether or when we > are talking about a "discourse-based w-s" or a "trade-based > w-s" or a "capitalist w-s."? If so, what kinds of w-ss are > worthy of analysis, and how do they overlap or connect with > each other?..." > > I suggest first to clear the very typology (or taxonomy) > of w-s and to reach the minimal consensus about main types, > logical basis and key features for identification. > > I was involved in w-s problematique rather recently and > up to day I know only three main approaches: > > I.Wallerstein's > BASIS: > logic of materials' and goods' movement > TYPOLOGY: > 1.mini-systems > 2.world-empires > 3.world-economies > > C.Chase-Dunn's (Comparing World-Systems - gopher > wsystems/books/chase-dunn ) > > TYPOLOGY: > 1. stateless, classless w-economies > 2. primary state-based w-economies > 3. primary w-empires > 4. complex secondary w-systems > 5. commercializing w-systems > (capitalist w-systems) > > I have not found the explicit BASIS of this taxonomy but > it seems that Wallerstein's "logic" is added by "complexity", > "existance of state" and "historical order". I hope > Prof. C.Chase-Dunn will correct me if I am wrong. > > C.Chase-Dunn & T.Hall 1993 and D.Wilkinson (according to the > paper by C.Chase-Dunn and P.Grimes presented in wsn) > > BASIS: > sorts of interactions > TYPOLOGY: > 1. network of bulk-goods exchanges > 2. political/military network > 3. prestige-goods net-work (trade oikumene) > > Please add my short list which surely cannot be complete. > > By the way, what about civilizations, cultures, ecumenes, > discourse-based w-s, etc.? > Is it still necessary to preserve a conceptual wall > between civilization and ws approaches? > > I have some ideas of w-s typology with strict conceptual > structure which also can be integrated with > civilizationist (culturological) approach, also with intra-w-s, > inter-w-s and evolutionary concepts but I wish to know if this > topic is of interest for wsn participants. > > Any comments ? > Nikolai Rozov > ################################################################## > Moderator of the list PHILOFHI (info file: PHILOF HISTORY PHILOSOP) > Nikolai S. Rozov, > Ph.D., Dr.Sc.(Social Philosophy) > Dept.Philosophy, Novosibirsk State University > ADDRESS: 630090, Novosibirsk, Pirogova 2, Russia > FAX: 7/3832/35 52 37 > E-MAIL: rozov@adm.nsu.nsk.su > ################################################################## > > From OWENJACK@fs.isu.edu Thu Dec 22 15:25:09 MST 1994 >From OWENJACK@fs.isu.edu Thu Dec 22 15:25:08 1994 Received: from ux1.isu.edu (ux1.isu.edu [134.50.254.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id PAA02640 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 15:25:04 -0700 Received: from FS.ISU.EDU by ux1.isu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA097435280; Thu, 22 Dec 1994 15:28:00 -0700 Received: from FS/MAILQUEUE by FS.ISU.EDU (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:30:51 -0600 Received: from MAILQUEUE by FS (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 22 Dec 94 15:30:42 -0600 From: "J B Owens" Organization: Idaho State University To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 15:30:32 MDT Subject: Re: World-System typology Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <7712390C44@FS.ISU.EDU> On Thu, 22 Dec 1994, Fred Riggs wrote: [much text deleted] "...they relate very much to the field of "conceptual and terminological analysis" which is the focal domain of COCTA-L, a network whose members are as active--perhaps even more--as the members of WSN. I appreciate your reference to an earlier intervention of mine and would only like to add a methodological note. We have developed, in COCTA and its INTERCOCTA project, which has had UNESCO sponsorship, a methodology that is highly relevant to the questions about types of "world-systems" that you raise." Would you please provide more information about this list and project? It would be especially nice to have the list address. Is information about the project available on a www site, and if so, may we have its URL? "Perhaps a useful discourse could be launched between some members of the COVICO-L list and a few interested members of the WSN list just to identify the most important concepts needed in this field of study." I would also like to know the address and content of this list. I thank you in advance for the information. On Mon, 19 Dec 1994, Nikolai S. Rozov wrote: [again much text deleted] > I have some ideas of w-s typology with strict conceptual > structure which also can be integrated with > civilizationist (culturological) approach, also with intra-w-s, > inter-w-s and evolutionary concepts but I wish to know if this > topic is of interest for wsn participants. I am interested in your approach that integrates civilizationist and evolutionary concepts. Finally, I do not have here a decent map of Russia. Where is your university located? Jack J. B. Owens Telephone: Department of History (208) 236-3232 [office] Box 8344 (208) 233-8589 [home] Idaho State University e-mail address on InterNet: Pocatello, ID 83209 owenjack@fs.isu.edu From rozov@adm.nsu.nsk.su Fri Dec 23 00:01:09 MST 1994 >From adm!adm.nsu.nsk.su!rozov@nsu.nsk.su Fri Dec 23 00:01:09 1994 Received: from nsu.nsk.su (mx.nsu.nsk.su [193.124.209.71]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with ESMTP id AAA28669 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 1994 00:00:41 -0700 Received: from localhost by nsu.nsk.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA03020 for wsn@csf.colorado.edu; Fri, 23 Dec 1994 12:57:28 +0600 Received: by adm.nsu.nsk.su (UUPC/@ v5.09gamma, 14Mar93); Tue, 1 Jan 1980 04:20:01 +0600 To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-Id: Organization: Novosibirsk State University From: "Nikolai S. Rozov" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 1980 04:19:52 +0600 X-Mailer: Mail [v1.8 MSDOS] Subject: w-s typology Lines: 54 The shift of discussion from w-s typology to w-s structure is remarcable. Really these topics are very close and based on the problem of w-s definition. Some words about "importance". In the paper sent in wsn by Prof.P.Grimes this September we can read: Chase-Dunn and Hall (1993:855) widen the world-system concept even further. They define world-systems as intersocietal networks in which the interactions (e.g. trade, warfare, intermarriage) are important for the reproduction of the internal structures of the composite units and importantly affect changes that occur in these local structures. Prof. Boswell is certainly right that "important" is not a precise term. Nevertheless from my viewpoint the mentioning of "reproduction of the internal structures" is very deep and prospective. Now it is only a technique problem to construct operational criteria for the "importance". At the same time this case shows a more wide problem. When we talk about structure (kin-based, state-based, div. of labor - based, etc.) of any w-systems we presuppose that they exist in some spatial and temporal boundaries, differ from each other and maybe interact. But when we go down to examples we do not find a clear picture. The most difficult problem is where one w-s ends and another begins, or maybe they both belong to the third w-s, etc. My thesis is that w-s are not natural things but our conceptual constructs (surely with some prototypes in reality) which we should construct rationally, i.e. with maximum attention to logical clearness and potential empirical criteria for identification and differentiation. I promised "some ideas" and will present them soon. Now I wish to ask specialists if the following construction (the extension of "sorts of interactions" idea by C.Chase-Dunn and T.Hall) was used by anybody. 1. There are "loci" (inhabited geographical places) and "connections" of various types (say, material torrents, interactions of many kinds, unity of cultural genesis, co-subordinations to definite political and/or economic order). 2. Different ideal types (Weber) of societal systems: w-ss, oicumene, civilizations, societies, etc. are defined as complexes or networks which consist of subsets of loci tied by definite (for each ideal type) sorts of connections. If it is a well-known idea I will be grateful for references. Merry Christmas to everybody! Nikolai S. Rozov rozov@adm.nsu.nsk.su From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Fri Dec 23 20:57:15 MST 1994 >From chriscd@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Fri Dec 23 20:57:14 1994 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [128.220.2.5]) by csf.Colorado.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) with SMTP id UAA10703 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 1994 20:57:13 -0700 Received: from jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ([128.220.2.5]) by jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu with SMTP id <143-5>; Fri, 23 Dec 1994 23:01:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 23:01:15 -0500 From: Christoph Chase-Dunn Subject: Forwarded mail.... To: wsn@csf.colorado.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Dec. 21 Terry Boswell sent a post to wsn about the definition of world-systems. He said: >Chase-Dunn and Hall have clarified what they mean by a system. I want to >try to get them to clarify it some more. They define a system as an >exchange that has important effects on the trading societies. We are talking about all interactions, not just exchanges. We include trade, intermarriage, communications and political alliances and conflicts. For each system the spatial extent of "important" interactions needs to be determined. >They then >distinguish between bulk, prestige, and military/political exchanges. >The problem I have is with the word "important." How do we know if an >effect is important? Is there a minimum importance? Tom Hall correctly points out that importance is a matter of degree. An effect is important if its obstruction or alteration changes the local social structure. It is unimportant its removal has no or very little effect on local social structure. But interactions must also be regularize in order to be systemic. Some effects are important but they are exogenous shocks that alter a local structure but are not really part of the local systems. Thus a climate change or the diffusion of a cultigen from far away are examples of such exogenous shocks. The example we give is the sweet potatoe in Hawaii. the sweet potatoe some how got from Peru to Hawaii. It was very important in the horticultural system in the Hawaiian system, allowing dry areas of the islands to be occupied and thus raising the carrying capacity of the archipelago. But were Hawaii and Peru parts of the same world-system. No. Because the diffusion of the sweet potatoe was one-shot deal, not a systemic interaction. there were no regularized interactions between Peru and Hawaii. This was an exogenous shock. > Does the >importance have to be the same type for all traders? NO > Is it a system if >the trade is important for one but not other traders? Each system needs to be bounded by starting at a single point. This is because all societies interact systemically with their immediate neighbors. so there are few natural breaks in systemic interaction. nevertheless the consequences of interaction fall off with distance. so the boundaries of each system depend the point at which you start. > Can the trade be >important if the traders are not dependent upon it for survival? Yes, because survival is not the only test of importance to a local social structure. If the leaders of the local group monopolize the importation of prestige goods and use these to control marriages because they are ritually required to consumate a marriage then these prestige goods are an important part of the system. >Compare their definition (or Gills and Frank's) with >Wallerstein's >definition of a system as a division of labor in the trade of >necessities. Necessities are important because they are required for >survival at current standards of living. A division of labor is >important because it means that obtaining necessities requires trade. >All traders in the system are thus dependent on each other. Power and >hierarchy in the system is determined by the amount, variety and type of >dependence (the same definition of power as in exchange theories of >interpersonal relations in social psychology, by the way). We agree that bulk goods networks are systemic. >Trade in >necessity surpluses, preciosities, prestige goods, symbols, and so on, do >not constitute a system by this definition. Right >Is this definition perfect? >No. Right > Is it better than an "important" exchange? Yes. What does this mean? I think Boswell means to say that "necessity surpluses, preciosities, prestige goods, symbols" do not constitute systemic interactions. Tom Hall and I would contend that in some systems some of these do constitute systemic interactions. We do not claim that this is true of all world-systems. there may indeed by systems that conform to Wallerstein's definition. what we argue is that the nature of systemic interaction should be investigated in each case. And we agree with anthropologists such as Jane Schneider that there have been many systems in which prestige goods exchange was systemically important. We also think that the European-centered modern world-system was a subsystem of a larger Eurasian world-system. It was never a separate bulk goods network. Wallerstein invokes a different criterion -- mode of production -- to separate the European system from the Ottoman Empire. We also argue that using mode of production (or mode of accumulation) in this way is a mistake, but that is another topic. Europe was not a separate system from the Near East. It exchanged food and raw materials with the Near East. and it interacted in systemically important ways with the Near Eastern states and empires as political/military allies and enemies. The French/Ottoman alliance was the main thing that prevented the Hapburgs from turning the nascent capitalist regional system in to a tributary empire. That is important. The long distance trade links between Europe, the Near Eastern states, India and China were also important because they influenced the economic and political rhythms of the linked regions. Tom and I have found that Chinese and Near Eastern patterns of urban growth and changes in the sizes of empires are closely correlated from about 500 BC to the 16th century AD. It is our guess that these simultaneities were mediated by trade flows and interactions with Central Asian steppe nomad migrations and empires. This was the Central World-System, but it was not yet a system in which all important types of interaction were contiguous. Rather it was a system of nested interaction networks. One of the reasons the modern global system is unique is that all the types of interaction have the same (global) spatial extent. thanks to all those who have contributed to the discussion of world-system definitions. have a good one. chris