Another View of Peter's denials and Christ on the Cross. COPYRIGHT © by L. Tyler oldservant@delphi.com mark541@hotmail.com P.O.Box 734, El Centro, CA 92244 The purpose of this file is to present another view of "Easter", or Passover, events. As to Peter's denials, I believe that there is no contradiction between the Mark prophecy that Peter would deny Christ THREE times before the cock crowed TWICE, and the prophecy in the other gospels that Peter would deny Christ THREE times before the cock crowed ONCE. I hope to show that Peter denied Christ three times before the cock crowed the first time, and then continued in error until he had denied Christ at least three more times before the cock crowed the second time. As to Christ being forsaken on the cross by His Father, I believe that Christ was not forsaken by His Father and that He quoted the Psalm 22:1 phrase "My God! My God! Why have you forsaken me?" both to comfort Himself by the rest of that Psalm and perhaps to point us to it to show us that that Psalm described key events in His crucifixion. He was always conscious of fulfilling scripture and He was fulfilling Psalm 22 at the time He quoted it. My aim is to show the enormity of Peter's sin, and the awesome wonder of God's grace and forgiveness to Peter after such a terrible fall. For Peter the truth of the matter was in the proverb, the one who is forgiven the most loves the most. Jesus predicted Peter's fall and his restoration. In fact, in predicting his restoration, he assigned a very important ministry to Peter knowing full well how awful his fall would be. Jesus came and died for us knowing full well we would sin and have sinned. He loves us in spite of our failures and shortcomings because He is the God who is unselfish and compassionate cherishing. Our God, who knew the sin and the sinning "saint" of 1 Cor. 5, also knew that 1 Cor. 5 would result in repentance (2 Cor. 2) resulting from godly sorrow (2 Cor. 7). These passages show that the repentant and sorrowing sinning "saint" is to welcomed back in the full Love of the fellowship of the saints/church. The Lord gave Peter the comfort (2 Cor. 1) of being among the first to see Him after His resurrection and used him mightily throughout the book of Acts. So God forgives and recommissions His children even after awful and public failure in the lives. Consider Peter's denials. They are at least distinguished by where it happened, who spoke to whom, and what was said. If you went further and distinguished them by what Peter said, you would come up with even more denials than the six listed below. 1. PETER'S FIRST DENIAL TO A GIRL DOORKEEPER IN THE COURTYARD John 18:15 And Simon Peter and another disciple followed Jesus. That disciple was known to the high priest, and he went in with Jesus into THE COURT of the high priest. 16 But Peter stood at the door outside. Then the other disciple went out, the one who was known to the high priest, and spoke to her who kept the door and brought Peter in [THE COURT]. 17 Then THE GIRL who kept the door said to Peter, ARE YOU NOT ALSO [ONE] OF THIS MAN'S DISCIPLES? He said, I am not. 2. PETER'S SECOND DENIAL, STANDING BY THE FIRE, TO THOSE NEAR HIM. JOHN 18: 18 And the servants and officers who had made a fire of coals stood there, for it was cold. And they warmed [themselves]. And PETER STOOD with them and warmed himself. 25 And Simon PETER STOOD and warmed himself. Then THEY SAID TO HIM, ARE YOU NOT ALSO [ONE] OF HIS DISCIPLES? He denied and said, I am not. 3. PETER'S THIRD DENIAL TO THE HIGH PRIEST'S FEMALE SERVANT Matt 26:69 ¶ And PETER SAT outside IN THE COURT. And A GIRL came to him, saying, YOU ALSO WERE WITH JESUS OF GALILEE. 70 But he denied all before [them], saying, I do not know what you say. JOHN 18:26 One of the SERVANTS OF THE HIGH PRIEST, being kinsman to him whose ear Peter cut off, said, DID I NOT SEE YOU IN THE GARDEN WITH HIM? 27 Peter then denied again. And IMMEDIATELY A COCK CROWED. Mark 14:66 ¶ And as Peter was below in the palace, one of the SERVANT WOMEN of the high priest came. 67 And when she saw Peter warming himself, she looked on him and said, AND YOU ALSO WERE WITH JESUS THE NAZARENE. 68 But he denied, saying, I do not know nor even understand what you are saying. And he went out into the forecourt. AND A COCK CROWED. 4. PETER'S FOURTH DENIAL TO A SERVANT/SLAVE GIRL, AS HE SAT BY THE FIRE IN THE COURT. MATT. 26: 71 And when he had gone out into THE PORCH, ANOTHER SAW HIM AND SAID TO THOSE THERE, THIS ONE WAS ALSO WITH JESUS OF NAZARETH. 72 And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man. MARK 14: 69 And A SERVANT WOMAN SAW HIM AGAIN and began to say to those who stood by, THIS [ONE] IS OF THEM. 70 And he denied it again. . . . . . . Luke 22:54 ¶ And laying hold on Him, they led [Him] away and brought Him into the high priest's house. And Peter followed afar off. 55 And lighting a fire in [the] middle of THE COURT, and they sitting down, PETER SAT in their midst. 56 But a certain SLAVE-GIRL saw him as he sat by the fire and earnestly looked on him and said, THIS [MAN] WAS WITH HIM ALSO. 57 And he denied Him, saying, Woman, I do not know Him. 5. PETER'S FIFTH DENIAL TO A MAN LUKE 22: 58 And after a little while ANOTHER saw him and said, YOU ALSO ARE OF THEM. And Peter said, Man, I am not! 6. PETER'S SIXTH DENIAL TO THOSE WHO STOOD BY MATT. 26: 73 And after a little while THOSE WHO STOOD BY came and said to Peter, SURELY YOU ALSO ARE [ONE] OF THEM, FOR YOUR SPEECH BETRAYS YOU. 74 Then he began to curse and to swear, I do not know the man. AND IMMEDIATELY THE COCK CROWED. 75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, Who said to him, BEFORE THE COCK CROWS, YOU SHALL DENY ME THREE TIMES. And he went out and wept bitterly. MARK 14: 70 . . . And a little after, THOSE WHO STOOD BY said again to Peter, SURELY YOU ARE [ONE] OF THEM, FOR YOU ARE A GALILEAN, AND YOUR SPEECH AGREES. 71 But he began to curse and to swear, [saying], I do not know this man of whom you speak. 72 And tHE SECOND TIME A COCK CROWED. And Peter remembered the word that Jesus said to him, BEFORE A COCK CROWS TWICE, YOU WILL DENY ME THREE TIMES. And thinking on [it], he wept. LUKE 22:59 And about an hour afterward, ANOTHER confidently affirmed, saying, TRULY THIS ONE WAS ALSO WITH HIM, FOR HE IS A GALILEAN. 60 And Peter said, Man, I do not know what you say. And immediately, while he still spoke, THE COCK CROWED. 61 And the Lord turned and looked on Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how He had said to him, BEFORE THE COCK CROWS, YOU SHALL DENY ME THREE TIMES. 62 And Peter went out and wept bitterly. Was it worldly sorrow that results in death? It was godly sorrow that resulted in godly repentance and the following: John21: 15 ¶ Then when they broke fast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, Simon, [son] of Jonah, do you love Me more than these? He said to Him, Yes, Lord, You know that I love You. He said to him, Feed My lambs. 16 He said to him the second time, Simon, [son] of Jonah, do you love Me? He said to Him, Yes, Lord, You know that I love You. He said to him, Feed My sheep. 17 He said to him the third time, Simon, [son] of Jonah, do you love Me? Peter was grieved because He said to him a third [time], Do you love Me? And he said to Him, Lord, You know all things, You know that I love You. Jesus said to him, Feed My sheep. 18 Truly, truly, I say to you, When you were young, you girded yourself and walked where you wished. But when you grow old, you shall stretch forth your hands and another shall gird you and carry [you] where [you] do not wish. 19 He spoke this signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him, Follow Me. 20 ¶ Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following (the one who also leaned on His breast at supper, and said, Lord, who is he who betrays You?) 21 Seeing him, Peter said to Jesus, Lord, and what [of] this one? 22 Jesus said to him, If I desire that he remain until I come, what [is that] to you? You follow Me. *********************************************** IF THE FATHER FORSOOK HIS ONLY-BEGOTTEN SON DYING ON THE CROSS IN OBEDIENCE TO HIM, THEN SURELY THE FATHER MIGHT FORSAKE US WHEN WE FALL INTO SIN OR ARE OVERCOME BY SOME SIN, CONTRARY TO ALL HIS PROMISES TO US. I BELIEVE THAT THE FATHER DID NOT FORSAKE THE SON ON THE CROSS THAT TERRIBLE DAY AND I SHALL ATTEMPT TO SHOW THAT HE HAD NO CAUSE TO FORSAKE HIS SON, THAT GOD THE FATHER CANNOT FORSAKE GOD THE SON, AND THAT HE WILL NEVER LEAVE US NOR FORSAKE US FOR NO ONE, NOT EVEN OURSELVES, CAN TAKE US OUT OF HIS HANDS (John 10). MATTHEW 27: 46* And about the ninth hour, Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? That is, My God, My God, why have You forsaken me? 47 Some of those who stood there, when they heard, said, This one calls for Elijah. 48 And immediately one of them ran and took a sponge and filled it with vinegar, and he put [it] on a reed and gave it to Him to drink. 49 The rest said, Let Him alone, let us see whether Elijah will come to save Him. Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to crush Him; to grieve Him; [that] He should put forth His soul as a guilt-offering. He shall see [His] seed, He shall prolong [His] days, and the will of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. La 1:12 [Is it] nothing to you, all you who pass by? Behold and see if there is any sorrow like my sorrow which is done to me, with which the LORD has afflicted [me] in the day of His fierce anger. Heb 5:7* [For Jesus], in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications with strong cryings and tears to Him who was able to save Him from death, and was heard in that He feared . . . . . Did you get that? He was heard, not forsaken! He was obedient unto death, so why should His Father forsake Him? He does not forsake His obedient ones because He has promised never to leave or forsake us (Matt. 28:19,20). LUKE 23: 46 And crying with a loud voice, Jesus said, Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit. And when He had said this, He breathed out the spirit. 47 And when the centurion saw what had been done, he glorified God, saying, Truly this Man was righteous. If He were forsaken, why would He talk to His father, committing His Spirit to Him? He knew He was heard and spoke thusly to His Father. *Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in* His sight, *=/NKJV: And there is no creature hidden from. --So also Lamsa *=Darby: And there is not a creature unapparent before him ---Berry +/- *= Amp. Bible: And not a creature exists that is concealed from His sight *= Wuest: And there is not a thing created which is hidden from His sight but ^all things [are] naked and opened to the eyes of Him^ with whom we have to do. Heb. 4:13 ^This verse plus Psa. 139; and 90:8 reprove (Hab. 2:1) the prophet's saying in Hab. 1:13 13 [Thou art] of purer eyes than to behold Strong's =1) to see, look at, inspect, perceive, consider 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to see 1a2) to see, perceive 1a3) to see, have vision 1a4) to look at, see, regard, look after, see after, learn about, observe, watch, look upon, look out, find out 1a5) to see, observe, consider, look at, give attention to, discern, distinguish 1a6) to look at, gaze at 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to appear, present oneself 1b2) to be seen 1b3) to be visible 1c) (Pual) to be seen 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cause to see, show 1d2) to cause to look intently at, behold, cause to gaze at 1e) (Hophal) 1e1) to be caused to see, be shown 1e2) to be exhibited to 1f) (Hithpael) to look at each other, face evil , and canst not look Strong's= to look, regard 1a) (Piel) to look 1b) (Hiphil) 1b1) to look 1b2) to regard, show regard to, pay attention to, consider 1b3) to look upon, regard, show regard to on iniquity : wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously , Tyler=In one breath the prophet says that God cannot look upon iniquity and in the next breath he declares that God looks upon them that do iniquity! Come on prophet, get it straight! I believe that Habakkuk was speaking out of his own heart and zeal, like the companions of Job, and that the Spirit accurately recorded what the prophet said for our edification. I believe that it is an accurate statement of what the prophet said but I do not believe that it is an accurate statement of the Truth about God. [and] holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth [the man that is] more righteous than he? Since God Himself is "a discerner of the thoughts and intents of [the] heart" and the heart is deceitfully wicked SO GOD LOOKS ON, SEES, BEHOLDS, PERCEIVES AND DISCERNS OUR DECEITFUL WICKEDNESS -- THE VERY DECEITFUL WICKEDNESS THAT CHRIST BORE ON/IN HIS BODY ON THE CROSS. CHRIST AND OUR TERRIBLE DECEITFUL WICKEDNESS WAS FULLY SEEN AND DISCERNED BY THE FATHER WHEN CHRIST SAID "MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME". THE FATHER LOOKED UPON THE DYING BODY OF JESUS AND OUR SINS IN HIS BODY, FOR NOTHING IS CONCEALED OR HIDDEN FROM HIS SIGHT. Perhaps from infinite Jesus' point of view in his finite (remember Mk. 13:32; Luke 8:44-47) body of flesh and blood our iniquities had separated his bodily consciousness from His Father --- perhaps our sin had hidden His Father's face from Jesus' view and to Jesus it appeared He did not hear-- Could it be a case of "but your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he doth not hear."Isaiah 59:2 PERHAPS HIS FACE WAS HIDDEN FROM JESUS VIEW AND PERHAPS HIS FATHER DID NOT SPEAK TO HIM AT THAT TIME, BUT NEVER FOR A SECOND WAS JESUS OUT OF HIS DISCERNING SIGHT. Besides all of that, He bore our sins in His body (1 Peter 2:24 with Hebrews 10:5- 10 and 2 Corinth.5:21), not in His holy and sinless Spirit. His body bore the curse of hanging on a tree for surely He was cursed by His enemies who stood around the cross and His body experienced the curse of death, BUT HIS SPIRIT remained sinless and holy throughout the whole experience because the Word makes it perfectly clear that He bore our sins in/on His BODY, NOT IN HIS SPIRIT. I believe that Jesus knew exactly what He was doing when He quoted Psalm 22:1. I believe that He was speaking His Word to Himself to strengthen Himself through the ordeal. I believe that He not only quoted Psalm 22:1 to Himself, but that He brought to His mind the whole Psalm which shows that He was not really forsaken, but surely felt forsaken. Psalm 22:1 ¶ To the Chief Musician, on the deer of the dawn. A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why have You forsaken me, and [are] far from my deliverance, [and from] the words of my groaning? 2 O my God, I cry in the daytime, but You do not answer; and in the night, and am not silent. 3 But You [are] holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel. 4 Our fathers trusted in You; they trusted, and You delivered them. 5 They cried to You, and were delivered; they trusted in You, and were not ashamed. 6 But I [am] a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised by the people. 7 All who see me laugh me to scorn; they shoot out the lip; they shake the head, [saying], 8 He trusted on the LORD; let Him deliver him; let Him rescue him, since He delights in him! 9 For You [are He] who took me out of the womb, causing me to trust [when I was] on my mother's breasts.10 I was cast on You from the womb; You [are] my God from my mother's belly. 11 ¶ Be not far from me; for trouble [is] near, for [there is] none to help. 12 Many bulls have circled around me; strong [bulls] of Bashan have surrounded me. 13 They opened wide their mouths on me, [like] a ripping and a roaring lion. 14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are spread apart; my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. 15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue clings to my jaws; 16 and You have brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have circled around me; the band of spoilers have hemmed me in, piercers of my hands and my feet. 17 I can count all my bones; they look [and] stare at me. 18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing. 19 But You, O LORD, be not far from me; O my strength, hurry to help me! 20 Deliver my soul from the sword, my only one from the dog's hand. 21 Save me from the lion's mouth; from the wild oxen's horns. You have answered me. 22 ¶ I will declare Your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will praise You. 23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him; all of you, the seed of Jacob, glorify Him; and fear Him all the seed of Israel. 24 For He has not despised nor hated the affliction of the afflicted; and He has not hidden His face from him, but when he cried to Him, He heard. 25 My praise [shall be] of You in the great congregation; I will pay my vows before the ones who fear Him. I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART THAT THAT IS WHAT JESUS SAID, FELT AND BELIEVED ON THE CROSS THAT TERRIBLE DAY. "When He cried to Him, He heard." and Jesus knew that He heard! The following scriptures should be enough to end any doubt about God not only looking upon the evil among us, but also that He fully knows and understands it and will remember it for all those who face Him at the Great White Throne on Judgment Day. Psalm 9: 10 And those who know Your name will put their trust in You; for You, LORD, have not forsaken those who seek You. Psalm 90: 8 You have set our iniquities before You, our secret [sins] in the light of Your face. Hosea 7;1 ¶ When I would have healed Israel, then the iniquity of Ephraim was uncovered, and the wickedness of Samaria. For they have worked falsehood. And the thief comes in, the troop of robbers plunders outside. 2 And they do not say within their hearts that I remember all their evil. Now their own doings have hemmed them in; they are before My face. Ezekiel 35: 12 And you shall know that I [am] the LORD. I have heard all your blasphemies which you have spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, Desolation! They are given to us for food. 13 So with your mouth you have boasted against Me, and have multiplied your words against Me. I have heard [them]. 14 So says the Lord Jehovah: When the whole earth rejoices, I will make you a ruin. Job 31: 2 For what [is] the portion from God above? And [what is] the inheritance from the Almighty on high? 3 [Is] not disaster to the perverse, and calamity to the workers of iniquity? 4 Does He not see my ways, and count all my steps? Proverbs 5: 20 And why will you, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of a stranger? 21 For the ways of man [are] before the eyes of the LORD, and He watches all his paths. 22 His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, and he shall be held with the cords of his sin. Job 1: 6 ¶ And a day came when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD. And Satan also came among them. 7 And the LORD said to Satan, From where do you come? Then Satan answered the LORD and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 8 And the LORD said to Satan, Have you set your heart against My servant Job, because [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and upright man, one who fears God and turns away from evil? 9 And Satan answered the LORD and said, Does Job fear God for nothing? Psalm 69: 5 O God, You know my foolishness, and my guiltiness [is] not hidden from You. Psalms 10: 11 He has said in his heart, God has forgotten; He hides His face; He will not see forever! 12 ¶ Arise, O LORD; O God, lift up Your hand; forget not the humble. 13 Why do the wicked condemn God? He has said in his heart, You will not judge. 14 You have seen [it]; for You behold mischief and vexation, to repay [it] with Your hand. The poor commits [himself] to You; You are the Helper of the fatherless. 15 Break the arm of the wicked and the evil one; seek out his wickedness, [until] You find none. Proverbs 15: 3 ¶ The eyes of the LORD [are] in every place, beholding the evil and the good. Exodus 3:7 ¶ And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of My people who [are] in Egypt; I have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows. Jeremiah 16: 17 For My eyes [are] on all their ways; they are not hidden from My face, nor is their iniquity hidden from My eyes. 18 And first I will twice repay their iniquity and their sin, because they have defiled My land, they have filled My inheritance with the dead bodies of their abominable things. That should be sufficient to put to rest the false doctrine the God cannot look upon the evil, or that His eyes are too pure to behold the evil. God never took His or his attention off of Jesus on the cross and Jesus knew it full well. He will never leave us nor forsake us, even if we fall into some sin like the fornication of 1 Cor. 5. As in 1 Cor. 5 He will chasten us with weakness, sickness and perhaps even the sleep of death (1 Corinth 11); using famine, pestilence, disease, war, violence, violent animals etc. (See Ezekiel). But we can always count on Him that the purpose of His chastening us is our salvation and perfection in Christ. He did not forsake Christ on the cross, and once we are His He will never forsake us, whether we b e on a cross, in a fiery furnace, a lion's den, Jeremiah's pit or etc. He who cannot lie has promised. >11. Darby's 1890 translation: Most of the scriptures quoted in this work, if not otherwise indicated, are from the a modernized version of J. N. Darby's translation, the OnLine Bible computer program of "Online Bible f ", Ken Hammil 1-908-741-4298; [E-Mail: khamel@aol.com]. >12. DIVORCE, John Murray, Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Co. \ >13. G. Duty's book on divorce and remarriage , Downers Grove, Ill. >14. HASTING'S DICTIONARY OF THE BIBLE; 1989, Hendrickson Publishers, Inc., Peabody, Mass;, Editor James Hastings, DD., >15. I LOVED A GIRL; Walter Trobisch, Inter-Varsity Press, Downers Grove, Ill. >16. INTERNATIONAL BIBLE COMMENTARY, THE; Editor, F.F.Bruce; 1979; Zondervan Publishing House, Grand Rapids Michigan. >17. Jay Adam's¹ book on divorce and remarriage >18. JEWISH: The Holy Scriptures according to the Masoretic Text, 1955, The Jewish Publication Society. >19. KINSHIP & MARRIAGE, Robin Fox, 1967, Penguin Books, Inc., USA & England >20. LAMSA: The Holy Bible from Ancient Eastern Manuscripts, 1940, Holman Co., by G. Lamsa. >21. MARRIAGE EAST AND WEST; David & Vera Mace, 1960, Dolphin Books, Double Day & Co., Inc. Garden City, NY >22.MARRYING AGAIN; David Hocking, 1977, Fleming H. Revell Co. >23. MKJV: MODERN KING JAMES VERSION, 1993, by Jay P. Green Sr., in Online Bible 2.5.1; the OnLine Bible computer program of "Online Bible f ", Ken Hammil 1- 908-741-4298; [E-Mail: khamel@aol.com]. >24. MY WIFE MADE ME A POLYGAMIST; Walter Trobisch, 1971, Inter-Varsity Press, >25. NASB: Holy Bible New American Standard; Broadman & Holman Publishers, Nashville Tenn.; The Lockman Foundation, 1977 >26. NEB: NEW ENGLISH BIBLE, 1970; Oxford/Cambridge University Press >27. NEW BIBLE DICTIONARY, THE; Editor J.D.Douglas Ph.D; 1962; W. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., Grand Rapids, Mich. >28. NEW TESTAMENT GREEK FOR BEGINNERS, By, J. Gresham Machen, D.D, Litt. D.,1959 >29. NIV: "Scripture taken from the HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION. Copyright @ 1973, 1978, 1984 International Bible Society." Used as required by Zondervan Bible Publishers. >30. NKJV: New King James Version, 1984, Thomas Nelson, Inc. >31. OnLine Bible computer program of "Online Bible f ", Ken Hammil 1-908-741-4298; [E-Mail: khamel@aol.com]. >32. PLEASE HELP ME! PLEASE LOVE ME!; Walter Trobisch, Inter-Varsity Press, >33. St. Augustin: On The Trinity; translated by Arthur West Haddan, B.D.; W.B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., Grand Rapids Mich; 1956 >34. Strong¹s Lexicon, Open Bible "Online Bible f", Ken Hammil 1-908-741- 4298. Also Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, Mich. These files are designed for (1) those who want to learn how to unselfishly and compassionately cherish their women; (2) those who have experienced divorce,to any degree, and are looking for Godly and Biblical Judeo-Christian solutions and guidance on how to see God redeem the experience; (3) those who are in, or considering, polygynous relationships; (4) those who came to the Lord as concubines and want to understand godly and Christian concubinage; (5) those Black and minority believers who want reassurance that indeed their color, their race, their nationality and/or their appearance -- has no significant impact or affect on their relationship with the incarnated, crucified, risen and soon to return Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah of Israel; (6) those who wish a deeper understanding of God's will for and in their sexuality and any problems they might be having with their sexuality; and for (7) those who want more insight in joining Jesus and His angels in their warfare against the evil spiritual beings who are causing problems for mankind, including our loved ones. The following files are available as described below. Please request any that seem interesting or of use to you. All constructive and informative comments are welcome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>TITLES OF THE FILES AVAILABLE >>1. HUSBAND RULE OVER THE WIFE? Roles and relationships >>2. INFORMAL MARRIAGE, COMMON LAW MARRIAGE >>3.INTERRACIAL,INTERETHNIC MARRIAGES AND RELATIONSHIPS >>4. JESUS, IS HE GOD, JEHOVAH, THE SON OF GOD >>5. OATHS, FORMAL SWEARINGS, SOLEMN PROMISES >>6. THE POWER FOR GOOD OF FEMININE BEAUTY >>7. RACISIM, ETHNOCENTRISM, NATIONALISM VS JESUS >>8. UNDERAGE BURNING--THE FINANCIALLY DEPENDENT WHO ARE NOT SUCCESSFULLY CONTROLLING THEMSELVES SEXUALLY >>9. UNEQUAL YOKE? Marital conflict due to spiritual differences. >>10. Why the Christian Woman Has Only One Husband? >>11. WHEN DO I HAVE TO MARRY, IN JESUS, AND WITH WHOM? >>12. Angels, Demons, Spirits and You Today. >>13. Biblical Sexual Morality, Pornography, etc. >>14. The Black Family Crisis, and the Plight of the Black Female. >>15. The Tithe and the Christian. >>16. A Manual of Marital Intimacy for My Daughters. >>17. Why Do The Godly/Good Suffer? >>18. Divorce/Abandonment, How Can a Follower of Christ Survive It? >>19. Keeping one's word. Vows, promises, covenants, oaths etc. >>20. Matchmaker Resources for those seeking marriage. >>21. Cherish Your Women, Part 1 >>22. Should prisoners be denied wholesome godly marital sex? >>23. Mini.poly: A condensed look at polygyny in the scriputes >>24. Quotes on Polygyny by St. Augustine and Biblical Scholars >>25.DIVORCE, REMARRIAGE, CONCUBINES, GENUINE BELIEVERS >>26. POLYGYNOUS CHRISTIANS AND CHRITIAN CONCUBINES >>27. Why Would the Christian Woman Share Her Husband? >>28. What are the Christian leaders' objections to polygyny? >>29. Wedding Vows? No! Wedding Covenants? Yes! >>30. Is polygyny a Christian option today? >>31. What are the "keys" to living together in Loving unity? >>32. MY LOVE IS A GARDEN OF DELIGHTS! aka SongOfSolomonPt1.txt, a 301k commentary on the Song of Solomon and his black-as-a-raven Shulamite. >>33. Prayers of Spiritual warfare for those who want to join the fight for the souls of their loved ones. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A FULLER DESCRIPTION OF THE FILES >>1. HUSBAND RULE OVER THE WIFE? WHICH CAVE DID YOU CRAWL OUT OF? [ Available by URL in Etext Archives at http://www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as"husbandwiferelations.txt" OR by email] >>2. INFORMAL MARRIAGE, COMMON LAW MARRIAGE, WHAT MAKES A WEDDING? [ Available by URL in Etext Archives at http://www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "commonlaw.informal.marriage", or by email. See below] >>3.INTERRACIAL,INTERETHNIC MARRIAGES AND RELATIONSHIPS IN JESUS Race and ethnicity have no place signicantly influencing human interpersonal relationships.["interracial=ethnic.marriage" Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "interracial=ethnic marriage", or by email. >>4. JESUS, IS HE GOD, JEHOVAH, THE SON OF GOD, THE SON OF MAN, THE ONLY WAY TO GOD? Jesus and the Trinity.[Available only by emial] >>5. OATHS, FORMAL SWEARINGS, SOLEMN PROMISES, COVENANTS AND JESUSMat. 5:33-37 (swear not all) and James 4:13-17 with James 5:12 (do not swear). [Available by email, or ftp as an appendix of a larger file; or by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "keepingOne'sWord.txt"] >>6. THE POWER FOR GOOD OF FEMININE BEAUTY AND MALE HANDSOMENESS. We are stewards of these socially significant gifts. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/ polyamory as "feml.power.poly", or by email. See below] >>7. RACISIM, ETHNOCENTRISM, NATIONALISM VS JESUS Jesus vs racism, prejudice, bias, discrimination, favoritism, bigotry . [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "racism.nationalism"] >>8. UNDERAGE BURNING--THE FINANCIALLY DEPENDENT WHO ARE NOT SUCCESSFULLY CONTROLLING THEMSELVES SEXUALLY What do I do if I am underage, too young to marry and a financially dependent youth and I keep on blowing it sexually, letting Jesus and myself down by not consistently controlling myself sexually? [Available only by email] >>9. UNEQUAL YOKE??? Do i look like a farmer?? So why shouldn't I marry this unbelieving/unsaved person, or this person who claims to be saved but has a sin problem???? [Available by email or by ftp as an appendix of a large file} >>10. Why the Christian Woman Has Only One Husband. If men practice polygyny, why shouldn't women practice polyandry? [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "polyandry", or by email. See below] >>11. WHEN DO I HAVE TO MARRY, IN JESUS, AND WITH WHOM? [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics /polyamory as "WhenToMarry", or by email. See below] >>12. Angels,Demons, Spirits and You Today. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics /polyamory as "YouAndAngels" or by email ] >>13. Biblical Morality, Porn, Sex etc. 118k [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "BiblicalPolyM orality", or by email. See below] >>14. The Black Family Crisis, and the Plight of the Black Female. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "PlightOfBlkFem_Fam" (newer), or as "BlackFamPoly" (older), or by email. See below] >>15. The Tithe and the Christian. Should we, and why? An indepth Bible study. [Available by email only] >>16. A Manual of Marital Intimacy for My Daughters. Want to help me ? [Available by email only] >>17. Why Do The Godly/Good Suffer? Does it pay to be "good"? Why do the "good" suffer so much, so often? [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in/pub/ politics/polyamory as "LetterToFriend" or by email.] >>18. Divorce/Abandonment, How Can a Follower of Christ Survive It? You love Jesus, but you find yourself divorced or abandonned and you want to be married happily in the Lord, what can you do? [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "HowSurviveDivorce" (newer); or "poly.and.divorce" (older), or by email. See below] >>19. Keeping one's word. Vows, promises, covenants, oaths etc. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "KeepingOne'sWord".] >>20. Matchmaker Resources for those seeking marriage. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory ] >>21. Cherish Your Women, Part 1 Gleanings from Genesis on how to compassionately cherish your women with a self-evaluation check off list. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "cherish.women", or by email. See below] >>22. Should prisoners be denied wholesome godly marital sex? [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "prisoner.abuse" , or by email. See below] >>23. Mini.poly: A condensed look at polygyny in the scriputes, especially the Old Testament. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "mini.poly" , or by email , See below] >>24. Quotes on Polygyny by St. Augustine and Biblical Scholars [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory , or by email as "ChristianPoly". See below] >>25.DIVORCE,REMARRIAGE, CONCUBINES, JESUS AND GENUINE BELIEVERS This is a 500k ASCII text only without linebreaks file that is also available in 12 parts if your computer or email service cannot receive large files. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "DivorceRemarriageConcubines", or by email. See below] >>26. POLYGYNOUS CHRISTIANS AND CHRITIAN CONCUBINES This is an 240k ASCII text only without linebreaks file that is also available in six parts if your computer cannot receive large files. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/ polyamory as "PolygamyConcubines" (newer), or as "polygyny.concubines" (older) , or by email. See below] >>27. Why Would the Christian Woman Share Her Husband? [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "why.wife.share.husband" (newer), or as "poly.western.woman" (older), or by email. See below] >>28. What are the Christian leaders' objections to polygyny? Please see some of the main pro's and the con's in this file [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "objections2poly" or by email] >>29. No Wedding Vows! A file offering scriptural reasons for using covenants rather than vows in one's wedding. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "noweddingvows" or by email] >>30. Is polygyny a Christian option? A discussion of polygyny in the New Testament and in the Protestant reformation. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "christianpolytoday", or by email] >>31. What are the "keys" to living together in Loving unity? Gleanings from Amy Carmichael and the Bible on what it takes for a family or fellowship to realize this miracle. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "keys2lovingunity", or by email] >>32. MY LOVE IS A GARDEN OF DELIGHTS! aka SongOfSolomonPt1.txt, a 301k commentary on the Song of Solomon, interracial marriage (his black-as-a-raven wife), and Christian polygyny and concubines. [Available by URL in Etext Archives at http:// www.etext.info; or ftp by gopher.etext.info in /pub/politics/polyamory as "SongOfSolomonPt1.txt", or by email] >>33. Prayers of Spiritual warfare for those who want to join the fight for the souls of their loved ones. These are the prayers of the Bible, inspired prayers of God's servants, adapted to the needs and spiritual warfare you encounter as a servant of Christ in your service to your loved ones and to Christ today. If you want any of these files, Etext Archives : URL: http://www.etext.info Location : /pub/politics/polyamory or ftp: "gopher.etext.info" Name: "ftp" Password: your email address Location: /pub/politics/polyamory If you have any problems with the URL or the ftp, contact ftp@etext.info or Rita@etext.info. or L. Tyler, P.O.Box 620763, San Diego, CA 92162-0763 or L. Tyler P.O. Box 734, El Centro,CA 92244 OTHER RESOURCES Use WebCrawler etc. to find "Christian Polygamy" on the Webb. Use your gopherfor :gopher.etext.info/Politics/Polyamory http://www.netcom.com/%7Epolyg/index.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Hezekiah/Biblpoly.ht m http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Hezekiah/Poly- pos.htm http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Hezekiah/Polylink.ht m email: cwarren@sn.no (Christopher C. Warren) gfm@bfree.org ( S. John Butt) polyg@ix.netcom.com (John Ben David, M.Div.) 101733.613@compuserve.com (Sam Chapman) Snailmail: Chris Warren, Pastor, B'rit Chadashah, P.O.Box 48, N-1591 Sperrebotn, Norway Broken Shackles, Inc. (S.J.Butt),P. O. Box 41, S. Windham, ME 04082 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Hezekiah/polyga my.html http://www.netcom.com/~polyg/index.html http://bfree.org ---- gfm@bfree.org